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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Does MailMate mirror everything back to the server?
(Fredrik Jonsson)
2. Re: newbie (Fredrik Jonsson)
3. Re: double sent mail outlook.com (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
4. Re: Old email not shown in smart mailboxes (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
5. Re: How to edit recipients (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
6. Re: option to automatically jump to first unread message of
thread (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
7. Re: quoted-printable (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
8. Re: Inconsistent message thread display (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 09:02:42 +0100
From: "Fredrik Jonsson" <f...@xdeb.org>
To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
Subject: Re: [MlMt] Does MailMate mirror everything back to the
server?
Message-ID: <e34b75ed-62ac-437f-98b6-26fd51f94...@xdeb.org>
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Ron Britton 2018-02-20 4:42 wrote:
If I were to use MailMate, where would my emails reside?
On the server with a local cache in MailMate on your computer.
The local cache will stay in sync with the server. If you delete mail
on
the server MailMate will delete it locally as well.
What if I want to keep the server empty?
Then IMAP and MailMate is not for you.
But I would reconsider that if I was you. Providers like Runbox
(Norway)
and Fastmail (Australia) have gotten good grades here on this list.
* <https://runbox.com/>
* <https://www.fastmail.com/>
If I was not running my own server I would most likely go with Runbox
since I'm in Sweden.
Fredrik
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 09:21:18 +0100
From: "Fredrik Jonsson" <f...@xdeb.org>
To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
Subject: Re: [MlMt] newbie
Message-ID: <ed778902-7cde-4ec5-80c9-2d7a16307...@xdeb.org>
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Brad & Michele Worthington 2018-02-20 3:15 wrote:
The messages don’t arrive with any specific subject lines or from
address so setting up smart boxes doesn’t seem feasible. I want to
read them, deal with them and move them to say 2018 a, or March b
folder for example.
I would suggest:
* Set up tags for each project.
* Set up a smart folder for each project/tag.
* Set up custom keybindings for each project/tag that tag the mail and
archive it.
This way everything arrives in to your inbox. You read the mail and
then
press the key(s) you mapped for that project/tag.
This will tag the mail and archive it, removing it from the inbox.
When
you are done the inbox is empty and all the mail can be viewed it the
correct project (smart) folder.
If you don't have to many projects you could bind the actions to a
single key of your choice, like this:
"a" = ( "setTag:", "Aproject", "archive:" );
"b" = ( "setTag:", "Bproject", "archive:" );
"c" = ( "setTag:", "Cproject", "archive:" );
"d" = ( "setTag:", "Dproject", "archive:" );
"e" = ( "setTag:", "Eproject", "archive:" );
Fredrik
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 10:44:46 +0100
From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailingl...@freron.com>
To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
Subject: Re: [MlMt] double sent mail outlook.com
Message-ID: <96e2ae84-93ce-4f02-b940-76161d0ec...@freron.com>
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On 5 Feb 2018, at 7:48, Angelo Machils wrote:
Sorry about the late response.
No, it's on the server that I see the second copy of the sent email.
A
little later it also shows up in MailMate.
Ok, that does sound like Outlook is saving emails sent with SMTP.
I can't find any setting in outlook.com to that effect, and even if
there were such a setting, it would be not of a lot of use. Because
when I have to use the webmail, the sent mail would not be saved.
No, the setting I'm looking for is something like: “Don't save
copies
in IMAP account when email clients use SMTP.” Most often, SMTP and
IMAP are completely separate things and this wouldn't be an issue at
all. It is the client's responsibility to save sent messages. Some
email
servers are now “smarter”, but it's badly standardized and not
quite
clear how an email client should behave. Since Gmail does this then
one
could argue that it's now the norm, but I don't consider Gmail
standard
in any way ;-)
(What webmail does is irrelevant since webmail is its own client and
it
should naturally always save sent messages.)
Technically, I believe the underlying bandwidth optimization problem
is
better solved by [this RFC](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4468), but
MailMate doesn't support this extension and I'm actually not sure if
or
how many SMTP servers support it.
Isn't there a settings in MailMate where I can turn off saving sent
mails per account?
No, and it's partly because I'm unsure how to implement it without
risking losing sent messages. I would prefer a solution which ensures
that MailMate doesn't delete it until it has found and downloaded the
copy saved by the server. This includes verifying that it's an
identical
copy, for example, Gmail some times rewrites headers and I'll be
blamed
for that if MailMate doesn't somehow record what it really sent.
In other words, I would prefer a feature like “Detect and delete
duplicates” (for Sent Messages) rather than “Don't save sent
messages”, but in practice the first is just a safer variant of the
latter.
But the answer is still: No, MailMate does not currently have the
feature you are looking for.
--
Benny
https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/
On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Benny Kjær Nielsen
<mailingl...@freron.com>
wrote:
On 4 Feb 2018, at 9:43, Angelo Machils wrote:
When I sent an email through my Hotmail account, it turns out that
on
the
server for every sent mail, there is a second copy. MailMate
doesn’t show
this second copy in the Sent folder, but I just found out that on
the
web-app for outlook.com, every sent mail has a second copy.
Can I change this behaviour somewhere?
If it's because the server saves a copy in the mailbox for sent
messages
then there might be a server setting to prevent this.
Since you cannot see both copies in webmail then I also suspect that
there
is a synchronization issue. Check that the mailbox for sent messages
is
online when you look at it under SOURCES in the mailbox list. (It's
not
online if it's greyed out.)
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 10:49:03 +0100
From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailingl...@freron.com>
To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
Subject: Re: [MlMt] Old email not shown in smart mailboxes
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On 6 Feb 2018, at 11:47, Wojciech Ogrodowczyk wrote:
I wanted to clarify a bit more the case when sending you the file,
but
I realised that the messages disappearing from the smart mailboxes is
just a symptom. The real issue is that all of those smart mailboxes
are based on tags and I've just checked that those tags disappear
from
older messages.
Do you have an idea how I could further debug this issue? Whether it
might be something in MailMate configuration, or rather my email
provider's (Mailbox.org) fault?
Not all servers have great support for IMAP keywords (which are used
for
the implementation of tags). Worst-case they should work locally, but
they won't synchronize to the server.
To debug this then it's best if you can come up with a series of steps
to reproduce one or more problems. Then do the following:
* Open the Activity Viewer (⌥⌘0).
* Do the steps needed to reproduce an issue.
* Use “Help ▸ Send Server Logs” -- and tell me what you were
trying to do.
Then I can probably see if MailMate does something unexpected.
--
Benny
https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 10:58:05 +0100
From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailingl...@freron.com>
To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
Subject: Re: [MlMt] How to edit recipients
Message-ID: <2f775aed-a6ad-4f1b-b10a-936c61bf1...@freron.com>
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On 6 Feb 2018, at 14:19, Randall Gellens wrote:
When composing a new message, MailMate shows each recipient as an
entity. Is it possible to edit a recipient?
Double-click or hit space when it's selected brings you into edit
mode.
For example, if there is a typo in one? Similarly, what is the best
way of selecting a recipient to delete or move to another field?
Use the keyboard or the mouse to select 1 or more recipients and then
use copy/paste or drag'n'drop.
On a more esoteric note, it would be nice if MM could normalize
recipients names that are in annoying Outlook format, e.g., change
“Bozo, Fred” <fred.b...@example.com>
To
Fred Bozo <fred.b...@example.com>
MailMate cannot do this automatically. It's extremely hard
(impossible?)
to correctly identify the various parts of a “name”. Also, you
have
to assume that if your correspondent uses this format then it's
probably
what they prefer to see when they get a reply.
MailMate could display the names differently (without altering them
when
replying/forwarding), but I really mean it when I write that it's
extremely hard to do this reliably :) As as simple example, someone
might use this: "PhD Nielsen, Benny" and it would become "Benny PhD
Nielsen".
--
Benny
https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:01:36 +0100
From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailingl...@freron.com>
To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
Subject: Re: [MlMt] option to automatically jump to first unread
message of thread
Message-ID: <c50055b6-d61e-4730-a944-299240913...@freron.com>
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On 6 Feb 2018, at 17:25, Eric Sharakan wrote:
Hi, I often deal with long-running email threads at work. I have
Organize by Thread enabled for my work Inbox, and as I'm going
through
my unread messages in the morning, when I get to an old thread with
new correspondence, I'm taken to the beginning of the thread rather
than the first unread message. Is there a preference to change that
behavior?
I already have a smart mailbox that includes only unread messages,
but
I don't like using it, as I prefer to have the option to review
previously read messages in case I need the additional context. I
also know there's a hotkey I can use to jump to the next unread
message, but was just wondering if perhaps there was a preference to
make that be the default behavior.
I'm not sure how that would work if you're not asking for “next
unread”. How are you selecting this thread?
What you really need is probably a different threading mode (which has
been on my todo forever) which allows you to display the newest
message
at the top of the thread.
--
Benny
https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:19:56 +0100
From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailingl...@freron.com>
To: bl...@torrecillas.com, "MailMate Users"
<mailmate@lists.freron.com>
Subject: Re: [MlMt] quoted-printable
Message-ID: <be9302bc-bf71-4013-b817-f2fde1ee9...@freron.com>
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On 7 Feb 2018, at 18:59, Daniel Torrecillas wrote:
Sorry, I meant to preface my question with this:
I don't mean to make noise and I absolutely don't want to propose a
change to the default behavior. **I believe in the designed way and
it's adherence to the relevant standards.**
Thanks for that :)
I only looked into this issue when someone that reads my email
*exclusively* on their iPhone with Mail.app complained about the
seemingly arbitrary line breaks.
I just tried reviewing some of the emails on this mailing list on my
iPhone and I don't see any arbitrary line breaks. Are you absolutely
sure about this?
To please them, I would consider composing `quoted-printable` or
`base64` email only to them, if given the option in MailMate.
Ok, I'll consider a hidden preference to disable format-flowed, but
I'd
like you to first investigate the problem a bit more. Maybe something
else triggers the arbitrary line breaks, for example, maybe your
correspondent has an IMAP service which some times rewrites emails.
Perhaps he could do something similar to “Message > Forward as
Attachment” in order for you to make sure the email hasn't changed
in
transmission.
--
Benny
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:30:54 +0100
From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" <mailingl...@freron.com>
To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
Subject: Re: [MlMt] Inconsistent message thread display
Message-ID: <fc990813-1ce0-47d3-aeb6-af0c52e7d...@freron.com>
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On 10 Feb 2018, at 20:02, Topher Buck wrote:
| From | To | Subject | Date | Msg ID |
|------|----|-------------|------------|--------|
| X | Y | foo bar | 2018-02-06 | 5597 |
| Y | X | Re: foo bar | 2018-02-07 | 6414 |
| X | Y | Re: foo bar | 2018-02-08 | 6137 |
| X | Y | Re: foo bar | 2018-02-09 | 6321 |
[...]
I don’t understand why View > “Organize by Thread” does not
group all four messages together in the same way that clicking the
“Thread” toolbar button does. Can anyone explain that behavior?
As
you can see, I have included the message IDs here, and I note that
they do not increase monotonically in chronological order (as I would
have predicted). That suggests that message ID could play some role
and that MM assigns message IDs in some fashion that isn’t obvious
to me.
The “Msg ID” is just an internal value which MailMate uses as an
index. Every new message seen by MailMate gets a “Msg ID” in
increasing order starting from 1.
Threading is based on the `Message-ID` header and the `In-Reply-To`.
These are the headers you should be looking for if trying to
understand
how MailMate has threaded the emails (and to determine if it's
incorrect).
It also seems like Benny’s statement, “[MailMate uses very strict
threading. It only shows two messages as related if they are
parent-child.](https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg01927.html)”
may apply here, though neither my message ID hypothesis nor “very
strict threading” explain the discrepancy in the two options for
viewing message threads.
If it's not a bug then “strict threading” should be the
explanation.
On a related note, I would like to register another vote in favor of
Scott’s [Feature request - highlighting related messages in a
thread](https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg02687.html).
Your vote is noted :)
--
Benny
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