Hi again

> Unless Orange is performing object and link scanning / safety checks making 
> the recipients seem alive (to euromsg at least
Never seen this kind of behavior from Orange. Could be happening from one of 
their security vendors but on several hundreds of emails ? seems highly 
unlikely. On our end, for the last 4 hours I see around 1500 bounces from 
Orange, with soft and hard bounces alike. Most hard bounces are first time 
sendings, and the other ones do not show any recent activity.

I'd again advise to reach out to their postmaster team to ask them to check on 
this if they can.

Mathieu

-----Message d'origine-----
De : mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] De la part de Mark Milhollan
Envoyé : jeudi 5 juillet 2018 15:53
À : mailop <mailop@mailop.org>
Objet : Re: [mailop] Orange.fr and Wanadoo.fr Hardbounces

On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, David Hofstee wrote:

>- You send to e.g. a 1000 recipients one week. These recipients 
>download images and click on links (e.g. 40% open rate and 5% click rate).
>Conclusion: Recipients are real and active.
>- The next week *all* these recipients suddenly bounce

Unless Orange is performing object and link scanning / safety checks making the 
recipients seem alive (to euromsg at least), but later the accounts are 
disabled or closed for whatever reasons.  (Even exclusive of aliveness, just 
not rejected last time but some rejected now.)  Or not all but enough that 
after some number of unknown recipient rejects Orange's MTA shifts to bouncing 
everything (for a while).


/mark

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