wait, wait.
Bill Cole via mailop wrote on 2022-04-15 17:47:
On 2022-04-15 at 08:37:54 UTC-0400 (Fri, 15 Apr 2022 14:37:54 +0200)
Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop <[email protected]> is rumored to have said:
Dnia 14.04.2022 o godz. 12:40:52 Al Iverson via mailop pisze:
Yes, it is unfixable. Once Google's AI decides (for no apparent
reason) that it will reject e-mails from you, or put them to
recipients' spam folder, there's pretty much nothing you can do
about it.
That is false.
I can believe your claim that "that is false" if you can give me a
WORKING advice of what can I do to make my e-mails get to the
Google's inbox. Other than "change your ISP" or "change your
domain", as this is NOT A SOLUTION, as I already stated.
OK, so you know why Google rejects your mail and how you could fix
it, if you wanted to have your mail accepted instead of having a
solid point to argue here.
So the text that Al quoted is not actually true. There IS an apparent
reason and there IS something you could do about it.
srsly? do you really think changing one's domain name or ISP is a
reasonable way forward when google isn't accepting one's e-mail?
and does anyone think my friends and family who use google as their
mailbox provider would be glad google had taken that approach to my
e-mail? (don't make me say "survivorship bias" please.)
If you still think this is fixable, then give me a working fix.
Don't try to send mail to shabby mail operators with a domain that
they can't distinguish from similar ones that they correctly know to
be used as throwaways.
i think you could have punctuated that sentence after "operators". but
google is a "shabby mail operator" (your words) who has taken my friends
and family as hostages. i cannot be expected to like this, or thank them
for it, or respect them for it. "we're the phone company, we don't care,
we don't have to" hasn't gotten more appealing across the decades.
I am NOT saying that what Google is doing is "right" in some way that
doesn't assume a Google corporate viewpoint. It's not. It's stupid
and wrong, unless one is primarily concerned with Google's short-term
financial bottom line.
i'm with you there.
But as Al said, it is simply false that they are acting at random or
that their deterministic blundering cannot be worked around.
their capricious opacity isn't helping them or us, but is hurting them
and us, and amounts to the same kind of cost-shifting that we all seem
to hate when spammers do it.
"cannot be worked around" is not the standard under discussion, btw.
--
P Vixie
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