It appears that Tobias Fiebig via mailop <[email protected]> said: >> Uh, what? Google follows public mail standards at least as well as their >> large competitors like YahAOL and Microsoft. You do not have to like >> MTA-STS, but it's an open IETF >standard and there's a lot more providers than Google that use it. > >I was not arguing that google is not following mail standards. I _would_ argue >thought that there is a discussion that _could_ be had regarding the >sensibility of MTA-STS' >design including HTTP; And what hits my rua currently mostly looks like google >to me; But I am looking forward to reports from MS et al.
We spent months working out the details, including why it uses HTTPS rather than DANE, on public mailing lists in the IETF. (I would have preferred DANE, but the choice of HTTPS was not made casually.) If this is something you care about, where were you? >However, the point I actually did try to make, though, was indeed that mail is >increasing in complexity, and 'the big ones' get things in order (well, apart >from those >mismatching DNS/EHLO setups from MS), while the tail of non-centralized setups >does not keep up, ultimately leading to a mono/multipolization and aggregation >of the >ecosystem, essentially changing it from 'open' to 'something only big >companies can take part in'. When I look at the vast number of operators of different sizes successfully running mail servers, that's not a persuasive argument. I have certainly run into plenty of people who've had trouble getting their mail into Gmail, loudly announced that GMAIL HAS BROKEN MAIL FOR EVERYONE IN THE WORLD, then I take a look and say "do you know what SPF is?" "No, why do you ask?" Sigh. R's, John _______________________________________________ mailop mailing list [email protected] https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
