On 22/07/2022 10:21, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
>> After that there should be an integrated opt-in process to verify any
>> new email address for that ESP customer's list.
> 
> While this sounds simple and like a no-brainer, it doesn’t account for how 
> complex many companies email programs are. In many, many cases full customer 
> data isn’t kept at the ESP - nor should it be. The ESP doesn’t need to know 
> (and in fact absolutely shouldn’t know) things like credit card numbers or 
> login passwords. There are also a number of systems that don’t keep email 
> addresses at all. Mail is triggered through an API call and all of the email 
> addresses are stored on the sender’s system, “lists” never go near the ESP. 
> All the ESP sees are send requests. 

At no point did I suggest the ESP needs to receive more than the email
address?

Only the email verification message needs to go through the ESP. It
could insert a confirmation token in a URL that the ESP customer then
presents to confirm opt-in for that ESP account.

None of this prevents PayPal, banks, etc. from operating. It also
doesn't prevent online shops from operating but it does complicate the
process of receiving a receipt if that normally comes direct from the
payment processor because all messages would need to use the same ESP.

There's just a conflict of interest between "people pay us to send
email" and "people who pay us nothing don't want to receive that email".

-- 
Simon Arlott
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