> On May 8, 2023, at 8:45 PM, H via mailop <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On 05/08/2023 05:27 AM, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
>>
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>>> On 8 May 2023, at 08:57, Dan Malm via mailop <[email protected]>
>>> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 5/6/23 17:28, H via mailop wrote:
>>>> I am new to doing mass mailings to customers and leads - not spam - and am
>>>> looking for some introduction how to interpret different types of
>>>> rejection messages so we can improve our success rate etc.
>>>
>>> Many mailbox providers do at least some things "their own way" so there's
>>> no catch-all one-stop for all messages and codes. But a good start for what
>>> the different status codes (should) mean is
>>> https://www.iana.org/assignments/smtp-enhanced-status-codes/smtp-enhanced-status-codes.xhtml
>>
>> How are you acquiring your leads, are you purchasing them from somewhere?
> Building lists of leads ourselves but also purchased leads. Just the former
> would be way too slow of course. By the way, we are communicating with
> corporate customers, not with individuals using their personal email
> addresses.
Okay. you’ve got me.
That’s not “leads”, that’s spam, plain and simple. Maybe — maybe when your
list of leads comes from an entire company you’ve purchased, this might make
sense, but if it’s a third party purchase, there’s literally no business
relationship where a party can claim to have opted in.
I’m more than happy to help people figure out why their mail is being rejected
when they’re trying to send things like purchase receipts, or opt-ins that
happened at purchase time. Or people who are running mailing lists for things
like open-source projects, but for the stuff you’re doing, I’m in favor of mail
clue being more like a lightsaber: nobody tells you how to make it, you have to
figure it out on your own.
Do you have any idea how much b2b spam we get from people who scraped our info@
address from our site (three letter domain, on the net for 30 years)? How many
people are “just trying to help” with no actual reachability info as required
by can-spam? Or, laughably, people trying to sell us more lists of leads from
other conferences we’d attend? Hell, dayjob is a software company and for some
reason we get a ton of companies in china trying to sell us pipes, pumps, and
butterfly valves — I have no idea why.
If the EU wanted to do something about this, maybe instead of making me accept
cookies 37 times a day or writing multi-year legislation about phone charging
ports, they could pass some legislation with teeth.
And don’t get me started on how much of it is enabled by the
abuse-box-routes-to-devnull freemail folks.
-Dan
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