Why take the time just to victim blame?
That wasn't my intention. This has turned into a discussion, and I
wanted to add my opinion. I'm not really defending them, I just think
you're getting very angry about something that doesn't seem all that odd
to me personally. The reason I wanted to add my opinion is that it goes
against some of the other opinions in this email thread, and your
opinion. It can be good to hear different perspectives, especially when
they don't match your own.
The only reason they won't do the right thing and simply retry is
because it saves them money when sending spam. The arguments about
scale are smoke and mirrors.
I don't disagree, it is about money as always. I just said that at that
scale it can make a difference, while at smaller scales it generally
won't. So money wise, it clearly makes sense to them. And my assumption
is that that's the reason you mostly see this kind of stuff at larger
senders.
Louis
On 24/06/2023 14:21, Michael Orlitzky via mailop wrote:
On Sat, 2023-06-24 at 10:18 +0000, Louis Laureys via mailop wrote:
Michael, I was with you until it was revealed you mention a blacklist in your
response. Sendgrid assumes that the words in the response actually have
something to do with the reason it's being temporarily rejected, which is a fair
assumption to make even if it doesn't follow spec. Then using different retry
logic based on that reason does make sense at that scale. I mean effort wise,
not "we're big so we can do whatever we want" wise. I'm personally no fan of
them, but I don't think this behaviour specifically is odd at all.
Why take the time just to victim blame? A decade ago, I added some text
to our 5xx rejections to try to be helpful. The RFC explicitly
guarantees that doing so will have no negative effects. Fuck me I
guess? The response does *not* say that they're blacklisted.
The only reason they won't do the right thing and simply retry is
because it saves them money when sending spam. The arguments about
scale are smoke and mirrors.
Your opinions are yours, but you're defending billionaire spammers who
knowingly breaking the rules because the rest of us pay for it.
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