That's great, Ruben! (Time to offline-sync more accounts...) Mailplane just got even more powerful... :)
And just before I forget, that "Spam" problem (the underlining being constantly there), is that a problem to be rectified on your to-do list? I do remember you mentioning before that it was a complex problem to rectify. 2009/2/6 Ruben Bakker <[email protected]> > Hi Kinny, > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Kinny Cheng <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Sorry, I didn't realise there was an update available through Sparkle :) >> Just installed it, and everything seems to be back where it was before. >> Even the drop-down menu statuses have reverted to normal, and the >> "Sign-in..." is working again! >> >> Thanks for fixing that up, Ruben... most appreciated! >> > > Thanks for testing! > > >> >> One more question while I have you: for Offline Gmail, is this only usable >> for one Mailplane-hosted Gmail account, or for many/multiple? >> > > It works for multiple accounts, I have setup about four "offline" accounts > and I can switch between them while being online or offline. > > Best, > >> >> 2009/2/6 Ruben Bakker <[email protected]> >> >> The change is in 2.1-beta build 1052. Mailplane->Check for update will >>> load it. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Kinny Cheng <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Ruben, >>>> >>>> >>>>> Mailplane has a small change: >>>>> For accounts that don't store their password in the keychain, Mailplane >>>>> will always present the authentication dialog the first time you access >>>>> the >>>>> account. You need to be online, too. >>>>> >>>> >>>> As far as I know, this has always been the case with Mailplane - not >>>> until I started using Offline Gmail access on one of the accounts, which >>>> has >>>> led to all the other accounts having their passwords stored in an unknown >>>> manner? >>>> >>>> Are these changes for an upcoming "Cutting Edge" build for 2.1 beta? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Accounts with a stored password will only ask for a password if you >>>>> change the username/ password or when your session expires. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Kinny Cheng <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Ruben! >>>>>> Always appreciate your attention to those little details - things that >>>>>> make Mailplane so great to use... :) >>>>>> >>>>>> 2009/2/5 Ruben Bakker <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Kinny, >>>>>>> Thanks for your explanation. I think I now understand your >>>>>>> requirements. I'll try to find a solution... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Kinny Cheng <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for the insight, Jesse. >>>>>>>> It makes sense that this seems to be what's happening at the moment. >>>>>>>> But the fact is, it makes no sense whatsoever to cache authentication >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> accounts other than the one with the offline access enabled. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And the theory of "allowing Offline access for one, it is on for >>>>>>>> all" doesn't fly either. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Imagine: if I shared a computer with the family, and where everyone >>>>>>>> has their own Gmail account/s, this would mean granting me full access >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> all those accounts without me even having to enter in a password, >>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>> usually required. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree with Ruben, that Gmail seems to have overlooked the security >>>>>>>> implications of offline Gmail access. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2009/2/4 Jesse Read <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While I am no GMail engineer (or any Google dev at all) I would >>>>>>>>> think that based on the way Gears works (via WebKit I believe, hence >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> only need to install it via on app and it is available to all WebKit >>>>>>>>> based >>>>>>>>> apps) if you allow Offline access for one, it is on all - at least in >>>>>>>>> terms >>>>>>>>> of cached authentication. >>>>>>>>> I may be wrong though, in fact I probably am. Ruben should be able >>>>>>>>> to get more insight. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- Jesse >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Kinny Cheng <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Ruben, >>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. But... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I remember you mentioning previously that passwords are now >>>>>>>>>>>> saved for accounts that use Offline Gmail - meaning that, even if >>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't >>>>>>>>>>>> choose to store my password in Mailplane, Google Gears would still >>>>>>>>>>>> do this >>>>>>>>>>>> anyway? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you enabled the "Store password in Keychain" setting, >>>>>>>>>>> passwords are only stored in the keychain. What Gmail stores is a >>>>>>>>>>> session >>>>>>>>>>> cookie, it doens't contain any username/password. It is used by >>>>>>>>>>> Gmail to >>>>>>>>>>> communicate with their servers. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I did not elect to have any of my Gmail passwords stored to my >>>>>>>>>> keychain. This is because I would prefer to enter my password each >>>>>>>>>> time I >>>>>>>>>> access a specific Gmail account, per Mailplane session. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am okay with being able to switch between the different accounts >>>>>>>>>> freely after I've done the initial authentication. But once I >>>>>>>>>> choose to not >>>>>>>>>> need the access to email anymore, I just quit Mailplane. The next >>>>>>>>>> time I >>>>>>>>>> start Mailplane, it'll ask me for my Gmail password - which is what >>>>>>>>>> I want, >>>>>>>>>> and which has how it's always been since day one. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> When Online: >>>>>>>>>>> If you start Mailplane or switch to an account, Gmail will use >>>>>>>>>>> the cookie for the account in question. It takes about 10 days to >>>>>>>>>>> get the >>>>>>>>>>> authentication window again. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> When Offline: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gmail directly opens the offline store, neither a password, nor a >>>>>>>>>>> cookie is required to access it! See these "Offline Gmail" threads >>>>>>>>>>> for more >>>>>>>>>>> information: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/gmail-labs-help-offline/browse_thread/thread/231787671b5c72d7# >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/gmail-labs-help-offline/browse_thread/thread/0d8c442af1147b97# >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mailplane 2.0.1 always authenticates your account before granting >>>>>>>>>>> access, even if you had a valid cookie. Because of the new offline >>>>>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>>>>> this made no sense anymore, as it can only authenticate when >>>>>>>>>>> online. This is >>>>>>>>>>> why I removed it from 2.1-beta. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is the part I can't seem to get my head around. But anyway, >>>>>>>>>> please fill me in where I may not be understanding you... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My dilemma, or rather my question, is this: Why have my other >>>>>>>>>> Gmail accounts, with no offline access activated, become openly >>>>>>>>>> accessible >>>>>>>>>> each time I open Mailplane? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have seven different Gmail accounts, three of which I frequently >>>>>>>>>> access, and one of these with the offline access enabled. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As per your explanation, I can fully understand why my >>>>>>>>>> offline-enabled account no longer requires me to enter a password to >>>>>>>>>> access. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But for the other two Gmail accounts, it makes no sense whatsoever >>>>>>>>>> as to why they are accessible without the usual password >>>>>>>>>> authentication >>>>>>>>>> anymore - since each account should be mutually exclusive of one >>>>>>>>>> another. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For example: Each time I start Mailplane, it would open up the >>>>>>>>>> offline-enabled Gmail account. When I want to switch to another >>>>>>>>>> account, I >>>>>>>>>> would usually expect the pop-up dialog and ask me for the respective >>>>>>>>>> password (since it's the first time I'm accessing the account for >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> Mailplane session). But with the latest Beta, it no longer does >>>>>>>>>> this and, >>>>>>>>>> instead, goes to my account's inbox right away. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hope you understand where I am coming from, and what I'm trying to >>>>>>>>>> describe here. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Kinny >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A stronger security measures for offline data needs to be >>>>>>>>>>> implemented by Google. Even if Mailplane would ask you for >>>>>>>>>>> Username/Password >>>>>>>>>>> and would not store any cookies you could still access your offline >>>>>>>>>>> data by >>>>>>>>>>> using Safari or any other WebKit browser. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For me, no other measures are needed. I have other personal data >>>>>>>>>>> stored in my Mac's account. No other user is using my Mac, and I >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> password protected my account. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe you could share some details about your requirements. Do >>>>>>>>>>> you have some accounts that you use online only and are more >>>>>>>>>>> sensitive than >>>>>>>>>>> other you use offline? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Ruben >>>>>>>>>>> http://mailplaneapp.com/blog >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.twitter.com/Mailplane >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Ruben >>>>>>> http://mailplaneapp.com/blog >>>>>>> http://www.twitter.com/Mailplane >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ruben >>>>> http://mailplaneapp.com/blog >>>>> http://www.twitter.com/Mailplane >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ruben >>> http://mailplaneapp.com/blog >>> http://www.twitter.com/Mailplane >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- > Ruben > http://mailplaneapp.com/blog > http://www.twitter.com/Mailplane > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "mailplaneapp" group. 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