One thing I picked up, but forgot to tell you... The drop-down login/password dialog - the focus is now defaulting back to the "email" field, and not the "password" field as it were before.
Any chance of rectifying that? :) TIA! 2009/2/6 Kinny Cheng <[email protected]> > That's great, Ruben! > (Time to offline-sync more accounts...) > > Mailplane just got even more powerful... :) > > And just before I forget, that "Spam" problem (the underlining being > constantly there), is that a problem to be rectified on your to-do list? I > do remember you mentioning before that it was a complex problem to rectify. > > > 2009/2/6 Ruben Bakker <[email protected]> > >> Hi Kinny, >> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Kinny Cheng <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Sorry, I didn't realise there was an update available through Sparkle :) >>> Just installed it, and everything seems to be back where it was before. >>> Even the drop-down menu statuses have reverted to normal, and the >>> "Sign-in..." is working again! >>> >>> Thanks for fixing that up, Ruben... most appreciated! >>> >> >> Thanks for testing! >> >> >>> >>> One more question while I have you: for Offline Gmail, is this only >>> usable for one Mailplane-hosted Gmail account, or for many/multiple? >>> >> >> It works for multiple accounts, I have setup about four "offline" accounts >> and I can switch between them while being online or offline. >> >> Best, >> >>> >>> 2009/2/6 Ruben Bakker <[email protected]> >>> >>> The change is in 2.1-beta build 1052. Mailplane->Check for update will >>>> load it. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Kinny Cheng <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Ruben, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Mailplane has a small change: >>>>>> For accounts that don't store their password in the keychain, >>>>>> Mailplane will always present the authentication dialog the first time >>>>>> you >>>>>> access the account. You need to be online, too. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As far as I know, this has always been the case with Mailplane - not >>>>> until I started using Offline Gmail access on one of the accounts, which >>>>> has >>>>> led to all the other accounts having their passwords stored in an unknown >>>>> manner? >>>>> >>>>> Are these changes for an upcoming "Cutting Edge" build for 2.1 beta? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Accounts with a stored password will only ask for a password if you >>>>>> change the username/ password or when your session expires. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Kinny Cheng <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks Ruben! >>>>>>> Always appreciate your attention to those little details - things >>>>>>> that make Mailplane so great to use... :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2009/2/5 Ruben Bakker <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Kinny, >>>>>>>> Thanks for your explanation. I think I now understand your >>>>>>>> requirements. I'll try to find a solution... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Kinny Cheng <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for the insight, Jesse. >>>>>>>>> It makes sense that this seems to be what's happening at the >>>>>>>>> moment. But the fact is, it makes no sense whatsoever to cache >>>>>>>>> authentication for accounts other than the one with the offline access >>>>>>>>> enabled. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And the theory of "allowing Offline access for one, it is on for >>>>>>>>> all" doesn't fly either. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Imagine: if I shared a computer with the family, and where everyone >>>>>>>>> has their own Gmail account/s, this would mean granting me full >>>>>>>>> access to >>>>>>>>> all those accounts without me even having to enter in a password, >>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>> usually required. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I agree with Ruben, that Gmail seems to have overlooked the >>>>>>>>> security implications of offline Gmail access. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2009/2/4 Jesse Read <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> While I am no GMail engineer (or any Google dev at all) I would >>>>>>>>>> think that based on the way Gears works (via WebKit I believe, hence >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> only need to install it via on app and it is available to all WebKit >>>>>>>>>> based >>>>>>>>>> apps) if you allow Offline access for one, it is on all - at least >>>>>>>>>> in terms >>>>>>>>>> of cached authentication. >>>>>>>>>> I may be wrong though, in fact I probably am. Ruben should be able >>>>>>>>>> to get more insight. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- Jesse >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Kinny Cheng >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ruben, >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. But... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember you mentioning previously that passwords are now >>>>>>>>>>>>> saved for accounts that use Offline Gmail - meaning that, even if >>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> choose to store my password in Mailplane, Google Gears would >>>>>>>>>>>>> still do this >>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you enabled the "Store password in Keychain" setting, >>>>>>>>>>>> passwords are only stored in the keychain. What Gmail stores is a >>>>>>>>>>>> session >>>>>>>>>>>> cookie, it doens't contain any username/password. It is used by >>>>>>>>>>>> Gmail to >>>>>>>>>>>> communicate with their servers. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I did not elect to have any of my Gmail passwords stored to my >>>>>>>>>>> keychain. This is because I would prefer to enter my password each >>>>>>>>>>> time I >>>>>>>>>>> access a specific Gmail account, per Mailplane session. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am okay with being able to switch between the different >>>>>>>>>>> accounts freely after I've done the initial authentication. But >>>>>>>>>>> once I >>>>>>>>>>> choose to not need the access to email anymore, I just quit >>>>>>>>>>> Mailplane. The >>>>>>>>>>> next time I start Mailplane, it'll ask me for my Gmail password - >>>>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>>>> what I want, and which has how it's always been since day one. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> When Online: >>>>>>>>>>>> If you start Mailplane or switch to an account, Gmail will use >>>>>>>>>>>> the cookie for the account in question. It takes about 10 days to >>>>>>>>>>>> get the >>>>>>>>>>>> authentication window again. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> When Offline: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Gmail directly opens the offline store, neither a password, nor >>>>>>>>>>>> a cookie is required to access it! See these "Offline Gmail" >>>>>>>>>>>> threads for >>>>>>>>>>>> more information: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/gmail-labs-help-offline/browse_thread/thread/231787671b5c72d7# >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/gmail-labs-help-offline/browse_thread/thread/0d8c442af1147b97# >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mailplane 2.0.1 always authenticates your account before >>>>>>>>>>>> granting access, even if you had a valid cookie. Because of the >>>>>>>>>>>> new offline >>>>>>>>>>>> support this made no sense anymore, as it can only authenticate >>>>>>>>>>>> when online. >>>>>>>>>>>> This is why I removed it from 2.1-beta. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is the part I can't seem to get my head around. But anyway, >>>>>>>>>>> please fill me in where I may not be understanding you... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My dilemma, or rather my question, is this: Why have my other >>>>>>>>>>> Gmail accounts, with no offline access activated, become openly >>>>>>>>>>> accessible >>>>>>>>>>> each time I open Mailplane? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have seven different Gmail accounts, three of which I >>>>>>>>>>> frequently access, and one of these with the offline access enabled. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As per your explanation, I can fully understand why my >>>>>>>>>>> offline-enabled account no longer requires me to enter a password >>>>>>>>>>> to access. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But for the other two Gmail accounts, it makes no sense >>>>>>>>>>> whatsoever as to why they are accessible without the usual password >>>>>>>>>>> authentication anymore - since each account should be mutually >>>>>>>>>>> exclusive of >>>>>>>>>>> one another. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For example: Each time I start Mailplane, it would open up the >>>>>>>>>>> offline-enabled Gmail account. When I want to switch to another >>>>>>>>>>> account, I >>>>>>>>>>> would usually expect the pop-up dialog and ask me for the respective >>>>>>>>>>> password (since it's the first time I'm accessing the account for >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> Mailplane session). But with the latest Beta, it no longer does >>>>>>>>>>> this and, >>>>>>>>>>> instead, goes to my account's inbox right away. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hope you understand where I am coming from, and what I'm trying >>>>>>>>>>> to describe here. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> Kinny >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A stronger security measures for offline data needs to be >>>>>>>>>>>> implemented by Google. Even if Mailplane would ask you for >>>>>>>>>>>> Username/Password >>>>>>>>>>>> and would not store any cookies you could still access your >>>>>>>>>>>> offline data by >>>>>>>>>>>> using Safari or any other WebKit browser. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For me, no other measures are needed. I have other personal data >>>>>>>>>>>> stored in my Mac's account. No other user is using my Mac, and I >>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> password protected my account. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe you could share some details about your requirements. Do >>>>>>>>>>>> you have some accounts that you use online only and are more >>>>>>>>>>>> sensitive than >>>>>>>>>>>> other you use offline? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Ruben >>>>>>>>>>>> http://mailplaneapp.com/blog >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.twitter.com/Mailplane >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Ruben >>>>>>>> http://mailplaneapp.com/blog >>>>>>>> http://www.twitter.com/Mailplane >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ruben >>>>>> http://mailplaneapp.com/blog >>>>>> http://www.twitter.com/Mailplane >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ruben >>>> http://mailplaneapp.com/blog >>>> http://www.twitter.com/Mailplane >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ruben >> http://mailplaneapp.com/blog >> http://www.twitter.com/Mailplane >> >> >> >> > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "mailplaneapp" group. 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