Thanks for mentioning it. It'll be fixed. On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 3:40 AM, Kinny Cheng <[email protected]> wrote:
> One thing I picked up, but forgot to tell you... > The drop-down login/password dialog - the focus is now defaulting back to > the "email" field, and not the "password" field as it were before. > > Any chance of rectifying that? :) > > TIA! > > 2009/2/6 Kinny Cheng <[email protected]> > > That's great, Ruben! >> (Time to offline-sync more accounts...) >> >> Mailplane just got even more powerful... :) >> >> And just before I forget, that "Spam" problem (the underlining being >> constantly there), is that a problem to be rectified on your to-do list? I >> do remember you mentioning before that it was a complex problem to rectify. >> >> >> 2009/2/6 Ruben Bakker <[email protected]> >> >>> Hi Kinny, >>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Kinny Cheng <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Sorry, I didn't realise there was an update available through Sparkle :) >>>> Just installed it, and everything seems to be back where it was before. >>>> Even the drop-down menu statuses have reverted to normal, and the >>>> "Sign-in..." is working again! >>>> >>>> Thanks for fixing that up, Ruben... most appreciated! >>>> >>> >>> Thanks for testing! >>> >>> >>>> >>>> One more question while I have you: for Offline Gmail, is this only >>>> usable for one Mailplane-hosted Gmail account, or for many/multiple? >>>> >>> >>> It works for multiple accounts, I have setup about four "offline" >>> accounts and I can switch between them while being online or offline. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>>> >>>> 2009/2/6 Ruben Bakker <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> The change is in 2.1-beta build 1052. Mailplane->Check for update will >>>>> load it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Kinny Cheng <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Ruben, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Mailplane has a small change: >>>>>>> For accounts that don't store their password in the keychain, >>>>>>> Mailplane will always present the authentication dialog the first time >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> access the account. You need to be online, too. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as I know, this has always been the case with Mailplane - not >>>>>> until I started using Offline Gmail access on one of the accounts, which >>>>>> has >>>>>> led to all the other accounts having their passwords stored in an unknown >>>>>> manner? >>>>>> >>>>>> Are these changes for an upcoming "Cutting Edge" build for 2.1 beta? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Accounts with a stored password will only ask for a password if you >>>>>>> change the username/ password or when your session expires. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Kinny Cheng <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Ruben! >>>>>>>> Always appreciate your attention to those little details - things >>>>>>>> that make Mailplane so great to use... :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2009/2/5 Ruben Bakker <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Kinny, >>>>>>>>> Thanks for your explanation. I think I now understand your >>>>>>>>> requirements. I'll try to find a solution... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Kinny Cheng <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the insight, Jesse. >>>>>>>>>> It makes sense that this seems to be what's happening at the >>>>>>>>>> moment. But the fact is, it makes no sense whatsoever to cache >>>>>>>>>> authentication for accounts other than the one with the offline >>>>>>>>>> access >>>>>>>>>> enabled. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And the theory of "allowing Offline access for one, it is on for >>>>>>>>>> all" doesn't fly either. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Imagine: if I shared a computer with the family, and where >>>>>>>>>> everyone has their own Gmail account/s, this would mean granting me >>>>>>>>>> full >>>>>>>>>> access to all those accounts without me even having to enter in a >>>>>>>>>> password, >>>>>>>>>> which is usually required. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I agree with Ruben, that Gmail seems to have overlooked the >>>>>>>>>> security implications of offline Gmail access. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2009/2/4 Jesse Read <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> While I am no GMail engineer (or any Google dev at all) I would >>>>>>>>>>> think that based on the way Gears works (via WebKit I believe, >>>>>>>>>>> hence you >>>>>>>>>>> only need to install it via on app and it is available to all >>>>>>>>>>> WebKit based >>>>>>>>>>> apps) if you allow Offline access for one, it is on all - at least >>>>>>>>>>> in terms >>>>>>>>>>> of cached authentication. >>>>>>>>>>> I may be wrong though, in fact I probably am. Ruben should be >>>>>>>>>>> able to get more insight. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- Jesse >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Kinny Cheng >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ruben, >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. But... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I remember you mentioning previously that passwords are now >>>>>>>>>>>>>> saved for accounts that use Offline Gmail - meaning that, even >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I didn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose to store my password in Mailplane, Google Gears would >>>>>>>>>>>>>> still do this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you enabled the "Store password in Keychain" setting, >>>>>>>>>>>>> passwords are only stored in the keychain. What Gmail stores is a >>>>>>>>>>>>> session >>>>>>>>>>>>> cookie, it doens't contain any username/password. It is used by >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gmail to >>>>>>>>>>>>> communicate with their servers. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I did not elect to have any of my Gmail passwords stored to my >>>>>>>>>>>> keychain. This is because I would prefer to enter my password >>>>>>>>>>>> each time I >>>>>>>>>>>> access a specific Gmail account, per Mailplane session. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am okay with being able to switch between the different >>>>>>>>>>>> accounts freely after I've done the initial authentication. But >>>>>>>>>>>> once I >>>>>>>>>>>> choose to not need the access to email anymore, I just quit >>>>>>>>>>>> Mailplane. The >>>>>>>>>>>> next time I start Mailplane, it'll ask me for my Gmail password - >>>>>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>>>>> what I want, and which has how it's always been since day one. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> When Online: >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you start Mailplane or switch to an account, Gmail will use >>>>>>>>>>>>> the cookie for the account in question. It takes about 10 days to >>>>>>>>>>>>> get the >>>>>>>>>>>>> authentication window again. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> When Offline: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gmail directly opens the offline store, neither a password, nor >>>>>>>>>>>>> a cookie is required to access it! See these "Offline Gmail" >>>>>>>>>>>>> threads for >>>>>>>>>>>>> more information: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/gmail-labs-help-offline/browse_thread/thread/231787671b5c72d7# >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/gmail-labs-help-offline/browse_thread/thread/0d8c442af1147b97# >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mailplane 2.0.1 always authenticates your account before >>>>>>>>>>>>> granting access, even if you had a valid cookie. Because of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> new offline >>>>>>>>>>>>> support this made no sense anymore, as it can only authenticate >>>>>>>>>>>>> when online. >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is why I removed it from 2.1-beta. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is the part I can't seem to get my head around. But >>>>>>>>>>>> anyway, please fill me in where I may not be understanding you... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> My dilemma, or rather my question, is this: Why have my other >>>>>>>>>>>> Gmail accounts, with no offline access activated, become openly >>>>>>>>>>>> accessible >>>>>>>>>>>> each time I open Mailplane? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have seven different Gmail accounts, three of which I >>>>>>>>>>>> frequently access, and one of these with the offline access >>>>>>>>>>>> enabled. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As per your explanation, I can fully understand why my >>>>>>>>>>>> offline-enabled account no longer requires me to enter a password >>>>>>>>>>>> to access. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But for the other two Gmail accounts, it makes no sense >>>>>>>>>>>> whatsoever as to why they are accessible without the usual password >>>>>>>>>>>> authentication anymore - since each account should be mutually >>>>>>>>>>>> exclusive of >>>>>>>>>>>> one another. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For example: Each time I start Mailplane, it would open up the >>>>>>>>>>>> offline-enabled Gmail account. When I want to switch to another >>>>>>>>>>>> account, I >>>>>>>>>>>> would usually expect the pop-up dialog and ask me for the >>>>>>>>>>>> respective >>>>>>>>>>>> password (since it's the first time I'm accessing the account for >>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>> Mailplane session). But with the latest Beta, it no longer does >>>>>>>>>>>> this and, >>>>>>>>>>>> instead, goes to my account's inbox right away. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hope you understand where I am coming from, and what I'm trying >>>>>>>>>>>> to describe here. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>> Kinny >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A stronger security measures for offline data needs to be >>>>>>>>>>>>> implemented by Google. Even if Mailplane would ask you for >>>>>>>>>>>>> Username/Password >>>>>>>>>>>>> and would not store any cookies you could still access your >>>>>>>>>>>>> offline data by >>>>>>>>>>>>> using Safari or any other WebKit browser. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> For me, no other measures are needed. I have other personal >>>>>>>>>>>>> data stored in my Mac's account. No other user is using my Mac, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and I have >>>>>>>>>>>>> password protected my account. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe you could share some details about your requirements. Do >>>>>>>>>>>>> you have some accounts that you use online only and are more >>>>>>>>>>>>> sensitive than >>>>>>>>>>>>> other you use offline? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruben >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://mailplaneapp.com/blog >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.twitter.com/Mailplane >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Ruben >>>>>>>>> http://mailplaneapp.com/blog >>>>>>>>> http://www.twitter.com/Mailplane >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Ruben >>>>>>> http://mailplaneapp.com/blog >>>>>>> http://www.twitter.com/Mailplane >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ruben >>>>> http://mailplaneapp.com/blog >>>>> http://www.twitter.com/Mailplane >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ruben >>> http://mailplaneapp.com/blog >>> http://www.twitter.com/Mailplane >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > -- Ruben http://mailplaneapp.com/blog http://www.twitter.com/Mailplane --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "mailplaneapp" group. 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