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The date is written in a way that uses both ancient Greek systems of writing numerals. The first three numerals (X, H, H) use a system known as the Attic (or Herodianic) system. X is the first letter of the Greek word (*chilioi*) for 1,000 and H is the first letter of the ancient Greek word for 100 (* hecaton*). The last letter, E, stands for '5' in the second ancient system, since it is the fifth letter of the Greek alphabet. Hence, 1,00 + 100 +100 + 5 is the exact transcription. Both systems are explained in T.L. Heath's *History of Greek Mathematics*, vol. I, 30 - 32. Len Berggren On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Christos Nussli <[email protected]> wrote: > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the > whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + > > > piero falchetta a écrit : > > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the > whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + > > In my opinion, a fake. > *Rivoalti* as the name of Venice on a map of the Venetian lagoon of the > 13th century? Bah... I don't believe it. > Piero Falchetta > > > Rialto-Rivolati was the initial name of the main city of the lagoon and > the initial name of the sestiere of San Marco (Civitas Rivoalti). > The De Administrando (10th cent.) uses the form Rivalto while Venetia > seems to designate the whole province (for instance "*apofevgein o laos > pros Venetian*", DAI 28, line 44). In other Greek sources (Alexiad) it is > not clear if Venetia stands for the city only or the whole province. Add to > that, the fact that Constantinople was considering Venice as a part of the > Empire until, I would say, 11th cent. maybe even later and that scholars > were using older material when depicting or drawing remote lands. > Moreover, Diehl (La République de Venise) uses the form Rialto until AD > 1000 and Braunstein-Delort (Venise portrait historique.., Paris 1971) are > citing a legal document of 1179 made " in Rialto". > Since these facts are scarcely known, if the document was a fake "Venetia" > would be used instead of "Rivoalti". > > We should examine 2 points: > - the cartographer is named "Theophanes, a Greek" not "Theophanes THE > Greek" > - the date: XHHE. What is its exact transcription in Western arab numerals? > Which calendar: Anno Domini or Anno Mundi? > > Best regards > > _____________________________ > Christos Nüssli > > ***************************** > Europe Maps - http://www.euratlas.com > > > _______________________________________________ > MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography > hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. > The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of > the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of > Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for > the views of the author. > List Information: http://www.maphist.nl > > Maphist mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist > -- J. L. Berggren Professor Emeritus Department of Mathematics Simon Fraser University 8888 University Dr. Burnaby, B.C. V5A 1S6 phone: 604-936-2268 fax: 604-936-2168
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