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Interesting link - the low % to the east in the first period intrigues me, I thought the dominance of the Christian religion, with Jerusalem to the 'east', would mean more Mediaeval maps with east at the top. Has anyone explored the sociological reasons for the shift to the north by 1600 - perhaps no coincidence that this was the time of the Reformation, the break between England and Rome. Of course north then put Europe on top - although if confident English adventurers /colonisers wanted their country on top, west at top might have been a good choice. Dr Hillary Shaw School of Business, Management and Marketing Harper Adams University College Newport Shropshire TF10 8NB -----Original Message----- From: Joel Kovarsky <[email protected]> To: Discussion group for map history <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 24 May 2011 16:00 Subject: Re: [MapHist] London Map Fair...confusing newspaper publicity...south at top This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + The whole issue of "south at the top" has previously appeared on Maphist (http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/pipermail/maphist/2002-April/000449.html), in that case referencing English manuscript maps from 1150-1500. Joel Kovarsky On 5/24/2011 10:29 AM, [email protected] wrote: This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Good point, thanks. And of course that explains why for some there is a slight halt when we hear that "Upper" Egypt is in the South. In a message dated 5/23/2011 8:09:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + Unless water runs uphill one would expect all early Egyptian maps to have south to the top of the map as a natural consequence of the Nile's flow. Recent research has shown that the average American thinks it is much easier to travel south since it is downhill on all of our maps. Francis' point was, as we all know, journalists are generally ill-equipped to comment on early cartography, no matter what their nationality. Bill Bill Warren 1109 Linda Glen Drive Pasadena, CA 91105 (626) 792-9152 [email protected] From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 3:19:20 PM Subject: Re: [MapHist] London Map Fair, 11 & 12 June: confusing newspaper publicity This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the whole list) o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + You remind me of a long-filed-away question: Years back I read the Ancient Egyptians used maps with South at top. This may have been based on the famed Turin Map Papyrus, but it would seem strange to assert or accept a generalization based on one sample. Anyone know of more on this topic? David Suter Artist <O> In a message dated 5/23/2011 4:30:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: As some will know, or remember, the Fra Mauro manuscript was drawn with south at top; and, as such, this is how it ought to have been reproduced. If only to test the interpretative skills of the ‘average’ reader; or even to dramatically put across the message that not all western European maps were north-oriented. An opportunity lost to leisurely and graphically educate some readers (and potential converts to collecting _______________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of Utrecht. The University of Utrecht does not take any responsibility for the views of the author. List Information: http://www.maphist.nl Maphist mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.geo.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/maphist _______________________________________________ MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. 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