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Your suggested translation: A description of the whole cosmography [has nothing to do with Universalis cosmographiae] in a manner both complete and intelligible [has nothing to do with in solido quam plano], those points [which points? where are points in the latin?] having also been inserted, which, while unknown to Ptolemy, have been discovered by recent [scholars] ´[nuperis are not the scholars but the explorers] It is sufficient? And, in general, your phrase has no meaning. Anyway, just to stress may original point,I am aware I might be wrong! That's the reason for only a modern critic edition of the whole text may establish the original and correct reading. vladimiro Il giorno 08/giu/2011, alle ore 02.50, Dennis Nilsen ha scritto: > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the > whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + > By the way, your comments were not rude, though they were unsubstantiated. > Dennis > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Dennis Nilsen <[email protected]> > wrote: > Dear Vladimiro, > I am curious how my translation is definitely false and wrong. > Thanks. > Sincerely, > Dennis > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Vladimiro Valerio <[email protected]> wrote: > This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the > whole list) > o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + > > > The problems arising from the translation (and understanding) of the sole > title of the Cosmographiae Introductio stress the need of a modern critic > edition of that text. > We have few problems in the first two paragraphs, up to the sea voyages by > Vespucci [An introduction to Cosmography, with some principles of geometry > and astronomy necessary to it. In addition, the four voyages of Amerigo > Vespucci]. BUT the last part: Universalis Cosmographiae descriptio tam in > solido quam plano, eis etiam insertis, quae Ptholomaeo ignota a nuperis > reperta sunt, have had disparate and desperate translations. > > I don't know exactly how translate into English (in Italian too!) avoiding > long paraphrase, but a slavish translation might be: > A Description of the Universal Cosmography, both in solid and in plane, with > the addition of the lands, unknown to Ptolemy, that have been discovered by > moderns. > But what is the meaning of "Description", what means "in solid and in plane" > are far from being clear and disclosed. > > The suggested translation (by Dennis M. Nilsen): > A description of the whole cosmography in a manner both complete and > intelligible, those points having also been inserted, which, while unknown to > Ptolemy, have been discovered by recent [scholars] > is definitely false and wrong (sorry for the rude comments). > > It is really unbelievable to me that such a fundamental text has no modern > critic edition. > vladimiro > > > Il giorno 07/giu/2011, alle ore 16.20, Dennis Nilsen ha scritto: >> This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the >> whole list) >> o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + >> Dear Hispalois, >> Here is a translation from my efforts: >> >> “An introduction to cosmography, with certain principles of geometry and >> astronomy necessary to it. Moreover, the four voyages of Amerigo Vespucci. >> A description of the whole cosmography in a manner both complete and >> intelligible, those points having also been inserted, which, while unknown >> to Ptolemy, have been discovered by recent [scholars].” >> Sincerely, >> Dennis M. Nilsen >> Rockville Centre, NY 11570 >> >> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Hispalois . <[email protected]> wrote: >> This is a MapHist list message (when you hit 'reply' you're replying to the >> whole list) >> o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + o + >> >> >> Dear Susan, >> I am an editor of Wikipedia. Regarding your message below, could provide a >> better translation of the book title so that I can correct the article? If >> you wish you can of course edit the correction yourself; if you need any >> indications on how to do it please do not hesitate to ask me via private >> e-mail. >> >> Best regards, >> Hispalois >> >> >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 14:19:58 +1000 >> Subject: Re: [MapHist] Cosmographiae Introduction notes >> >> Speaking of Latin, being ignorant of Waldseemuller I looked up Wikipedia >> (naturally) >> and discovered this outrageous but witty translation in their article on the >> Cosmographia Introductio: >> >> From Wikipedia: >> >> 'The full title of the book is: "Cosmographiae introductio cum quibusdam >> geometriae ac astronomiae principiis ad eam rem necessariis. Insuper quatuor >> Americi Vespucii navigationes. Universalis Cosmographiae descriptio tam in >> solido quam plano, eis etiam insertis, quae Ptholomaeo ignota a nuperis >> reperta sunt." >> >> (roughly: An introduction to Cosmography, with various geometry and >> astronomy principles being its necessary object. As well as Amerigo >> Vespucci’s four voyages, general Cosmography, of which Ptolemy was as >> ignorant as a baby, is also included and is described plainly and in >> detail.)' >> >> >> Susan >> >> (PhD candidate, Classics, Australian National University) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MapHist: E-mail discussion group on the history of cartography >> hosted by the Faculty of Geosciences, University of Utrecht. >> The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of >> the author and do not necessarily reflect those of the University of >> Utrecht. 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