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Dear Vladimiro,
Indeed we have. And not only as to the comments ("commenti"), but also to the
additions ("aggiunti")! I am certainly glad I asked for Sorin's
assistance, the results of which again demonstrate the real usefulness
of MapHist among us.
Doug
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From: Vladimiro Valerio <[email protected]>
To: Douglas Sims <[email protected]>; Discussion group for map history
<[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [MapHist] RE: Help! (Dacia in the Ptolemaic maps)
Doug,the 1548 Venetian edition of Geography (by the way it is the first modern
language translation, accomplished 384 years before the first English one by
Stevenson and 458 years before the first German one) is titled:
La Geografia di Claudio Ptolemeo Alessandrino, Con alcuni commenti & aggiunte
fattevi da Sebastiano munstero Alamanno, Con le tavole non solamente antiche &
moderne solite di stamparsi, ma altre nuove aggiuntevi di Meser Jacopo Gastaldo
Piamo[n]tese cosmographo, ridotta in volgare Italiano da M. Pietro Andrea
Mattiolo Senese medico Eccellentissimo…,
Thus, since the title the debt to the Muenster's edition of the Geography is
clearly expressed. Have we been confirmed in the correctness of the title? Or
what?
vladimiro
Il giorno 23/set/2011, alle ore 01.56, Douglas Sims ha scritto:
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>Dear Sorin,
>
>Indeed you are correct. This is a valuable piece of information, and I'm
>indebted to you for pointing it out. Since Gastaldi uses Munster's 1540
>annotations in his 1548 Ptolemy, I gave considerable attention to a comparison
>of Munster's and Gastaldi's modern maps , but gave only cursory (clearly too
>cursory) attention to the Munster Ptolemaic maps, and thus it escaped me. In
>any event, thank you for bringing it to my attention.
>
>
>Doug
>
>
>From: Sorin Fortiu <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 3:07 PM
>Subject: [MapHist] RE: Help! (Dacia in the Ptolemaic maps)
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>Dear Doug,
>
>These mistakes are taken by Gastaldi from Sebastian MÜNSTER?s "Geographia
>vniversalis, vetvs et nova, complectens Clavdii Pto\lemæi alexandrini
>enarratio\nis libros VIII., Quorum primus noua translatione [Bilibaldi]
>Pirckheimheri (i.e. Willibald PIRCKHEIMER -n.m.) ... Succedunt tabulæ
>Ptolemaicæ, opera Sebastiani Mun\steri (i.e. Sebastian MÜNSTER -n.m.) nouo
>paratæ modo. ..., Basileæ (i.e. Basel -n.m.) apvd Henri\cvm Petrvm, Mense
>Martio. An.[no] M. D. XLII (i.e. .03.1542 -n.m.), [56] + 195 + [194] [=446] pg.
>There are at least 3 editions of this work published in 1540, 1542, 1545.
>At http://www.swaen.com/Munster1540.html you will find the 1540 edition. On
>the map 6, you will find the exact "mistake" as at Gastaldi's map of Germany.
>You fill have to consult also the text below the map(s).
>
>I suppose that the region where DACIA is inscribed on Gastaldi's map of
>Germany is the ancient Gothland / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6taland
>And because from Iordanes (6th century
>AD/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanes) we "know" that the goths = dacians
>=>
>Gothland = Dacia (in the mind of Gastaldi/Munster/etc).
>
>Best Regards,
>S o r i n
>
>
>From: Douglas Sims
>To: Discussion group for map history
>Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011
>Subject: Re: [MapHist] Help! (Dacia in the Ptolemaic maps)
>
>Dear Sorin,
>I don't know the nature of the mistake you are investigating on the Ptolemy
>map of Dacia, and the following info may be irrelevant to you. However, since
>it involves another "mistake" concerning Dacia, it may be of interest to you,
>and if you have any ideas on it, that would be of interest to me! Recently I
>have had occasion to look into the maps in the 1548 edition of Ptolemy by
>Giacomo Gastaldi. Very oddly, Gastaldi has added a land mass in the northeast
>part of his rendering of Ptolemy's fourth map of Europe (8th map in the 1548
>Ptolemy, roughly covering modern Germany), and he names it prominently in
>capital letters "DACIA". This land appears still again on Gastaldi's Ptolemaic
>8th map of Europe (19th map in the 1548 Ptolemy, roughly covering modern
>Poland and eastern Europe), again withe same name. I have not been able to
>divine what Gastaldi's ration ale was for this peculiar addition in the North
>Sea, which occurs in no earlier edition of
Ptolemy that I know of, nor can I imagine why he would apply the ancient name
for Romania to it.
>
>Perhaps this information may be useful to you. Certainly, if you have any
>ideas on this, they would be of interest to me.
>
>You may not have access to the 1548 Ptolemy, and the two mentioned maps have
>not been reproduced anywhere to my knowledge, though they will both
>be reproduced in my book on Gastaldi, due to be published in 2012.
>
>Doug
>
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