+0 (abstain) Mike
On 1/5/24, 8:55 AM, "MapServer-dev on behalf of Daniel Morissette via MapServer-dev" <mapserver-dev-boun...@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org>> wrote: +1 Daniel On 2024-01-05 05:57, Seth G via MapServer-dev wrote: > Hi all, > > I've updated the budget to include the amount requested in 2021 for > release management ($1,500), so we can vote on a final budget and > present it to the board. The total amount requested is $4,500. > It would be good to vote on this in the next few days as the deadline > for submitting workshops for FOSS4G Europe in the 14th of January so I'd > need to create an outline. > I've a few extra items we can add to a sponsorhip wiki page and maybe > circulate on the mapserver-users list to see if we can generate > additional development funds. > > I'll start with my +1. > > Seth > > > -- > web:https://geographika.net <https://geographika.net> > <https://geographika.net> <https://geographika.net>> & > https://mapserverstudio.net <https://mapserverstudio.net> > <https://mapserverstudio.net> <https://mapserverstudio.net>> > twitter: @geographika > > On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, at 12:10 AM, Michael Smith wrote: >> >> Mid-Late Jan or so. We haven’t scheduled the budget meeting yet. >> >> >> M >> >> >> *From: *Steve Lime <sdl...@gmail.com <mailto:sdl...@gmail.com>> >> *Date: *Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:46 PM >> *To: *Seth G <se...@geographika.co.uk <mailto:se...@geographika.co.uk>> >> *Cc: *Even Rouault <even.roua...@spatialys.com >> <mailto:even.roua...@spatialys.com>>, Michael Smith >> <michael.smith.e...@gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.e...@gmail.com>>, >> MapServer Devs >> <mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org>> >> *Subject: *Re: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning >> >> >> Anyone know that deadline? >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 10:05 AM Steve Lime <sdl...@gmail.com >> <mailto:sdl...@gmail.com> >> <mailto:sdl...@gmail.com <mailto:sdl...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> I don't have any additions. >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 3:48 AM Seth G <se...@geographika.co.uk >> <mailto:se...@geographika.co.uk> >> <mailto:se...@geographika.co.uk <mailto:se...@geographika.co.uk>>> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> It seems many projects have submitted their budget requests >> for next year to OSGeo - I presume there is an end-of-year >> deadline to be met? >> >> >> I've added in items from this thread to >> https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget >> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget> >> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget> >> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget>> >> >> Jeff has discussed the 8.2 release for January, so I've added >> in the release manager role. I guess the requested amount >> depends upon if there are also plans for additional patch >> releases in 2024 and MapCache releases. >> >> Once this value is finalised it would be good to take a vote >> and submit to OSGeo in the next few days. Alternatively we can >> just go with the 2021 value and vote now. If there are any >> other items to add please edit the page. >> >> >> I'll also look at creating a page of other ideas for MapServer >> for sponsorship opportunities, similar to the GeoTools one at >> https://github.com/geotools/geotools/wiki/GeoTools-2024-Sponsorship-Opportunities >> >> <https://github.com/geotools/geotools/wiki/GeoTools-2024-Sponsorship-Opportunities> >> >> <https://github.com/geotools/geotools/wiki/GeoTools-2024-Sponsorship-Opportunities> >> >> <https://github.com/geotools/geotools/wiki/GeoTools-2024-Sponsorship-Opportunities>> >> >> >> Seth >> >> >> -- >> >> web:https://geographika.net <https://geographika.net> >> <https://geographika.net> <https://geographika.net>> & >> https://mapserverstudio.net <https://mapserverstudio.net> >> <https://mapserverstudio.net> <https://mapserverstudio.net>> >> >> twitter: @geographika >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, at 4:36 PM, Even Rouault wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I agree we should cut use of Travis if the budget for >> MapServer is so low. Yes, the specificity of the Travis CI >> checks is to test 2 versions of PHP, but I suspect this >> could be migrated to GHA if needed (e.g perhaps using >> https://github.com/setup-php/setup-php >> <https://github.com/setup-php/setup-php> >> <https://github.com/setup-php/setup-php> >> <https://github.com/setup-php/setup-php>>). For >> AddressSanitizer, this would be trivial to port to GHA. >> >> (GDAL only use of Travis CI is to test exotic >> architectures, in particular ARM64, which aren't available >> on GHA. But GDAL only uses the OSGeo provided budget for >> that, so that's OK for it) >> >> Even >> >> Le 14/12/2023 à 16:18, Seth G a écrit : >> >> It seems a shame to spend over 80% of the budget on >> Travis, completely switching to GitHub Actions would >> be another item it would be good to add to the >> MapServer 2024 plan/budget and PSC vote. >> >> There were some previous discussions about this in >> 2020 [1]. Since then GHA seems to have advanced whilst >> Travis has stagnated. In addition MapCache switched >> away from Travis [2]. I see GDAL still uses Travis so >> maybe there are some advantages I'm not aware of. >> >> As far as I can tell it is only the AddressSanitizer >> run and PHP builds that Travis includes that aren't >> already in GHA [2]. >> >> >> Seth >> >> >> [1] >> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/mapserver-dev/2020-November/016302.html >> <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/mapserver-dev/2020-November/016302.html> >> <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/mapserver-dev/2020-November/016302.html> >> <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/mapserver-dev/2020-November/016302.html>> >> >> [2] https://github.com/MapServer/mapcache/pull/274 >> <https://github.com/MapServer/mapcache/pull/274> >> <https://github.com/MapServer/mapcache/pull/274> >> <https://github.com/MapServer/mapcache/pull/274>> >> >> [3] >> https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/blob/main/.travis.yml >> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/blob/main/.travis.yml> >> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/blob/main/.travis.yml> >> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/blob/main/.travis.yml>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, at 2:59 PM, Michael Smith wrote: >> >> For 2023, some of the funds were used for the >> Travis subscription for mapserver which is $828/yr >> (69/mo). So $172 would be available for the rest >> of the year. The PayPal donation would carry over. >> Project funds do not. >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Michael Smith >> >> OSGeo Treasurer >> >> treasu...@osgeo.org <mailto:treasu...@osgeo.org> <mailto:treasu...@osgeo.org >> <mailto:treasu...@osgeo.org>> >> >> >> >> *From: *Steve Lime <sdl...@gmail.com <mailto:sdl...@gmail.com>> >> <mailto:sdl...@gmail.com <mailto:sdl...@gmail.com>> >> *Date: *Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 8:31 AM >> *To: *Michael Smith <michael.smith.e...@gmail.com >> <mailto:michael.smith.e...@gmail.com>> >> <mailto:michael.smith.e...@gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.e...@gmail.com>> >> *Cc: *Even Rouault <even.roua...@spatialys.com >> <mailto:even.roua...@spatialys.com>> >> <mailto:even.roua...@spatialys.com <mailto:even.roua...@spatialys.com>>, >> Seth G >> <se...@geographika.co.uk <mailto:se...@geographika.co.uk>> >> <mailto:se...@geographika.co.uk <mailto:se...@geographika.co.uk>>, MapServer >> Devs >> <mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org>> >> <mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org>> >> *Subject: *Re: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning >> >> >> Is there any chance of accessing the FY23 $'s? >> Problem is that we don't have a project bank account. >> >> >> There was also a $1,310 donation via PayPal in >> March 2022 that looks to have come in via OSGeo >> via PayPal but was earmarked specifically for >> MapServer. Mike, I can send you a copy of that >> email if you'd like. >> >> >> --Steve >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 4:34 PM Michael Smith >> <michael.smith.e...@gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.e...@gmail.com> >> <mailto:michael.smith.e...@gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.e...@gmail.com>>> >> wrote: >> >> Proposed default for FY24 per project is $1000 >> USD. Yes you can request more than that but >> there should be a plan for the additional >> amounts voted by PSC. >> >> >> Funds from donation are 295.45 (looks like it >> was mostly in 2021 and a bit in 2022). >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> - >> >> Michael Smith >> >> OSGeo Treasurer >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *Steve Lime <sdl...@gmail.com <mailto:sdl...@gmail.com> >> <mailto:sdl...@gmail.com <mailto:sdl...@gmail.com>>> >> *Date: *Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 4:56 PM >> *To: *Even Rouault <even.roua...@spatialys.com >> <mailto:even.roua...@spatialys.com> >> <mailto:even.roua...@spatialys.com <mailto:even.roua...@spatialys.com>>>, >> Michael >> Smith <michael.smith.e...@gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.e...@gmail.com> >> <mailto:michael.smith.e...@gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.e...@gmail.com>>> >> *Cc: *Seth G <se...@geographika.co.uk <mailto:se...@geographika.co.uk> >> <mailto:se...@geographika.co.uk <mailto:se...@geographika.co.uk>>>, MapServer >> Devs <mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org> >> <mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org >> <mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org>>> >> *Subject: *Re: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget >> planning >> >> >> Great ideas, I'd support both of them. The >> question becomes how much to allocate in each >> instance. I guess some basic questions I'd >> have (and maybe Mike knows) are: >> >> 1. What's that standard per project budget >> allocation from OSGeo? I thought it was >> something like $1,500 but I'm not sure. >> 2. Is there any chance of getting $'s beyond >> that? The 2020 budget referenced earlier >> in the thread was submitted to the board >> but it was pretty clear there was no >> opportunity to secure funding beyond that >> base amount. >> 3. We have some $'s that have been donated >> via Paypal. I don't know the amount but >> there should be at least $1,000 available >> and that could be considered as another >> means of paying for this work. Again, Mike >> do you know what the MapServer balance is >> via the donate button? >> 4. We are still in 2023 - can we allocate >> this years' standard budget allocation to >> this work or otherwise roll it over? I'd >> like to know what our options are. We've >> not done a good job of taking advantage of >> the OSGeo funds available, even if they >> are somewhat limited. >> >> Seth, what level of support do you think you'd >> need? >> >> >> --Steve >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 5:48 PM Even Rouault >> via MapServer-dev >> <mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org> >> <mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org >> <mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org>>> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Seth, >> >> >> thanks for putting that together. The 2 >> topics (workshop and CITE tests) >> >> look like excellent topics to be budgeted. >> >> >> Even >> >> >> Le 07/12/2023 à 11:02, Seth G via >> MapServer-dev a écrit : >> >> > Hi all, >> >> > >> >> > I've created a draft page for the budget >> at >> https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget >> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget> >> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget> >> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget>> >> >> > >> >> > I've also created two wiki pages for two >> items I'd like to work on next year, and >> to request some funds to help set aside >> time to work on them. Both were discussed >> with other members of the PSC at the >> recent OSGeo Community Sprint: >> >> > >> >> > A new MapServer Workshop, see details at >> https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-Workshop-2024 >> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-Workshop-2024> >> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-Workshop-2024> >> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-Workshop-2024>> >> >> > This would target FOSS4G Europe next >> year. The deadline for submission is >> January 14th 2024 so it would be good to >> sort out a budget as soon as possible to >> be able to submit. Workshops are 4 hours >> in length. >> >> > >> >> > Automating and refreshing the MapServer >> OGC CITE tests - see >> https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-OGC-CITE-Tests >> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-OGC-CITE-Tests> >> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-OGC-CITE-Tests> >> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-OGC-CITE-Tests>> >> >> > >> >> > Let me know your thoughts on the above, >> >> > >> >> > Seth >> >> > -- >> >> > web:https://geographika.net <https://geographika.net> >> <https://geographika.net> <https://geographika.net>> & >> https://mapserverstudio.net <https://mapserverstudio.net> >> <https://mapserverstudio.net> <https://mapserverstudio.net>> >> >> > twitter: @geographika >> >> > >> >> > On Thu, Nov 2, 2023, at 6:58 PM, Seth G >> wrote: >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> >> >> A wiki page sounds a good start. >> Increased test coverage and OGC Maps >> >> >> support would be two items I'd like to >> propose. >> >> >> We could also maybe use a GitHub >> Discussions poll to allow users to >> >> >> vote on some open issues to look at fixing? >> >> >> >> >> >> I think any unused funds for the year >> remain with OSGeo and can't be >> >> >> used for future years. Is it an option >> to get a 2023 budget approved to >> >> >> avoid losing these funds for this year? >> >> >> There is the OSGeo Codesprint in Vienna >> next week, and 5 of the PSC >> >> >> members will be there so we could >> arrange a PSC meeting and sign things >> >> >> off quite quickly. >> >> >> >> >> >> Seth >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> web:https://geographika.net <https://geographika.net> >> <https://geographika.net> <https://geographika.net>> & >> https://mapserverstudio.net <https://mapserverstudio.net> >> <https://mapserverstudio.net> <https://mapserverstudio.net>> >> >> >> twitter: @geographika >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023, at 10:44 PM, Lime, >> Steve D (MNIT) via MapServer-dev wrote: >> >> >>> This is a good idea and something that >> we haven't done in some time. >> >> >>> There was a 2020 budget outline >> >> >>> >> (https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/OSGeo-2020-Budget >> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/OSGeo-2020-Budget> >> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/OSGeo-2020-Budget> >> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/OSGeo-2020-Budget>>) that >> >> >>> was put together as an ask from the >> board. If I recall correctly, they >> >> >>> basically only allocated the normal >> per project amount to the project. >> >> >>> That's funding we've not taken >> explicit advantage of most years >> >> >>> although I don't know what happens to >> those $'s if they go unclaimed. >> >> >>> There is also a donation balance that >> could/should be tapped to fund >> >> >>> activities. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> --Steve >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >> >>> From: MapServer-dev >> <mapserver-dev-boun...@lists.osgeo.org >> <mailto:mapserver-dev-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> >> <mailto:mapserver-dev-boun...@lists.osgeo.org >> <mailto:mapserver-dev-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>>> On Behalf >> >> >>> Of Jeff McKenna via MapServer-dev >> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2023 1:00 PM >> >> >>> To: 'MapServer Dev Mailing List' >> <mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org> >> <mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org >> <mailto:mapserver-dev@lists.osgeo.org>>> >> >> >>> Subject: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget >> planning >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Hi MapServer community (devs, users, >> packagers, promoters, all), >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I see other projects beginning early >> discussions on planning for 2024 >> >> >>> budget spending. I would like to >> start a wiki page for the 2024 budget >> >> >>> for MapServer. I am planning on >> including those items >> >> >>> >> never-funded-yet-heavily-relied-upon-by-users such as releases, >> >> >>> packaging, testing/CI infrastructure >> maintenance, and documentation, as >> >> >>> well as source code contributions (in >> other words, including the full >> >> >>> dev community of MapServer in the budget). >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I think 2024 is a good time to create >> a realistic budget for MapServer, >> >> >>> and then share that publicly with the >> FOSS4G community. I think we'd >> >> >>> be happily surprised that >> organizations are willing to support the >> >> >>> sustainability of MapServer. >> Worst-case scenario is that we have a >> >> >>> publicly available realistic view of >> the cost of keeping MapServer >> >> >>> reliable, secure, and fast, that we >> can expand upon in future years. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Happy to read other thoughts here, >> from everyone passionate about MapServer. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> thanks! >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -jeff >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -- >> >> >>> Jeff McKenna >> >> >>> GatewayGeo: Developers of MS4W, & >> offering MapServer Consulting/Dev >> >> >>> co-founder of FOSS4G >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>> MapServer-dev mailing list >> >> >>> MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org> >> <mailto:MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org>> >> >> >>> >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev >> <https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev> >> <https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev> >> <https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev>> >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> >> > MapServer-dev mailing list >> >> > MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org> >> <mailto:MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org>> >> >> > >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev >> <https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev> >> <https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev> >> <https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev>> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://www.spatialys.com <http://www.spatialys.com> >> <http://www.spatialys.com> <http://www.spatialys.com>> >> >> My software is free, but my time generally >> not. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> MapServer-dev mailing list >> >> MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org> >> <mailto:MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org>> >> >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev >> <https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev> >> <https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev> >> <https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://www.spatialys.com <http://www.spatialys.com> >> <http://www.spatialys.com <http://www.spatialys.com>> >> >> My software is free, but my time generally not. >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > MapServer-dev mailing list > MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org> > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev > <https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev> -- Daniel Morissette Mapgears Inc T: +1 418-696-5056 #201 _______________________________________________ MapServer-dev mailing list MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org <mailto:MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev <https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev> _______________________________________________ MapServer-dev mailing list MapServer-dev@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-dev
