All, I'm so happy that Jan and the PMC have finally took a hard stance on this subject. I've always felt like CouchApps were overly coupled and a bad idea from the start, and I'm happy to see them go. However, I understand that we all have different needs and philosophies. For my business use case, I've been waiting since 2010 for a built in clustering solution, and I'm still waiting. As a small businessman I don't have the resources to make a living, and build all the features that I want in CouchDB, other DB's, frameworks, and languages that I use. So I understand the frustration associated with that paradigm. I try to help as much as I can in all of these projects, but really just have to live with what the community as a whole decides to do. In some cases I spend allot of time trying to contribute, as I did with the new CouchDB logo development, and we still don't have a new logo pushed out yet. I saw something that was important to me, and I did what I could to help improve the situation. And that's what I think that Jan, and the PMC members are really asking for.
Thanks! --Nick On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Joan Touzet <woh...@apache.org> wrote: > I'll concur with Alex here. My survey of the PMC members so far has > resulted in 100% of us in agreement with Jan's comments. > > This is not a power play, it is a logical, reasoned decision with many > factors that play a part -- not the least of which is that there are so > many great web frameworks out there that do such a better job than we do > with CouchApps. We'd need a massive effort to catch up with them, and a > significant number of developers just to keep pace. Right now, there's > no one working on CouchApps period, as has been repeatedly stated on the > list. > > If you are willing to put in the time to develop the Erlang, JavaScript > and possibly C to build the new functionality, and are able to sustain > development on that over the course of the years it would take to match > e.g. Python or Node.JS's community level for web apps...well, let's just > say that I look forward to your GitHub pull requests. :) > > Best regards, > Joan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alexander Shorin" <kxe...@gmail.com> > > To: marketing@couchdb.apache.org > > Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 1:45:52 PM > > Subject: Re: The future of couchapps > > > > Hi John, > > > > The future of CouchApps is trivial and was already discussed on this > > ML[1]: this feature stalled over 4 years already, it has quite enough > > issues and limitations, it lacks maintainer. If something of these > > won't change in nearest future, CouchApps are doomed. And all > > solutions lies though the hero(es) who will maintain and develop this > > feature. > > > > The question here is not only about to keep existed code works. It's > > also about vision of what CouchApps are, what they have to be, how to > > evolve them and make really great and useful feature for CouchDB > > users > > and not only. > > > > Currently, there is no active leader of CouchApp feature in CouchDB > > team, so this place is vacant and we are welcome everyone who would > > like to take this duty on his/her shoulders. Otherwise CouchApps > > will > > continue to be feature of secondary type, sort of accidental side > > effect from technical decisions of good past days. No need to say > > what > > such state means. They may simply not survive next major release. > > > > [1]: Follow this thread: > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-marketing/201505.mbox/%3CCAPMhwa5R6CdeQP-m_FHfqYsJ4NDwLYiePuwrsi2bRfzifncRpw%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > - it's long, but has all the same answers. > > > > -- > > ,,,^..^,,, > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Johs Ensby <j...@b2w.com> wrote: > > > Hi all -- both couchapp lovers and skeptics, > > > > > > I want to start a new thread based on the below conversation > > > between Jan and Giovanni at the end of the thread [VOTE] > > > WHY/HOW/WHAT. > > > > > > I am in the group of stakeholders that have a business that rely on > > > CouchDB. And I use couchApps hosted on Cloudant. I would like to > > > see the community grow, not split again and there seems to be a > > > tone developing that I am sorry if I have been a contributor to. > > > Rather than having wide-reaching discussion about dream features > > > of future couchapps, I will try to stay on the subject of a future > > > for couchapps or not. > > > > > > The "watch me" from Jan below is very disturbing to me. > > > I would appreciate seeing some comments from PMC members on this. > > > > > > Johs > > > > > > > > >> On 18. sep. 2015, at 13.52, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote: > > >> > > >>> - you don't know if tomorrow some erlang skilled couchapp lover > > >>> won't get > > >>> in and start working on the app part (to say the truth some of > > >>> them were > > >>> already active in the past, but they chose to left just because > > >>> of > > >>> this/yours direction) > > >> > > >> In my last email I specifically suggested for such a person to > > >> step up and I’d welcome them wholeheartedly. > > >> > > >> > > >>> - you can't remove something that ALREADY exists which A LOT of > > >>> people > > >>> like, use and have businesses on top, just because you and a few > > >>> people > > >>> don't like it > > >> > > >> Watch me. > > > > > >
