I just spent a little time comparing "Cloudant Local" with CouchDB - and
in addition to ongoing support for CouchApps, it seems like Cloudant
Local supports geospatial functions as well. Which leads me to wonder
two things:
- Whatever happened to geoCouch?
- What's the general direction of the CouchDB ecosystem. Are we seeing
Cloudant diverge from Couch, with IBM-supported features not making
their way back into the open source version of Couch?
Miles Fidelman
Joan Touzet wrote:
I'll concur with Alex here. My survey of the PMC members so far has
resulted in 100% of us in agreement with Jan's comments.
This is not a power play, it is a logical, reasoned decision with many
factors that play a part -- not the least of which is that there are so
many great web frameworks out there that do such a better job than we do
with CouchApps. We'd need a massive effort to catch up with them, and a
significant number of developers just to keep pace. Right now, there's
no one working on CouchApps period, as has been repeatedly stated on the
list.
If you are willing to put in the time to develop the Erlang, JavaScript
and possibly C to build the new functionality, and are able to sustain
development on that over the course of the years it would take to match
e.g. Python or Node.JS's community level for web apps...well, let's just
say that I look forward to your GitHub pull requests. :)
Best regards,
Joan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Shorin" <kxe...@gmail.com>
To: marketing@couchdb.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 1:45:52 PM
Subject: Re: The future of couchapps
Hi John,
The future of CouchApps is trivial and was already discussed on this
ML[1]: this feature stalled over 4 years already, it has quite enough
issues and limitations, it lacks maintainer. If something of these
won't change in nearest future, CouchApps are doomed. And all
solutions lies though the hero(es) who will maintain and develop this
feature.
The question here is not only about to keep existed code works. It's
also about vision of what CouchApps are, what they have to be, how to
evolve them and make really great and useful feature for CouchDB
users
and not only.
Currently, there is no active leader of CouchApp feature in CouchDB
team, so this place is vacant and we are welcome everyone who would
like to take this duty on his/her shoulders. Otherwise CouchApps
will
continue to be feature of secondary type, sort of accidental side
effect from technical decisions of good past days. No need to say
what
such state means. They may simply not survive next major release.
[1]: Follow this thread:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-marketing/201505.mbox/%3CCAPMhwa5R6CdeQP-m_FHfqYsJ4NDwLYiePuwrsi2bRfzifncRpw%40mail.gmail.com%3E
- it's long, but has all the same answers.
--
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On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Johs Ensby <j...@b2w.com> wrote:
Hi all -- both couchapp lovers and skeptics,
I want to start a new thread based on the below conversation
between Jan and Giovanni at the end of the thread [VOTE]
WHY/HOW/WHAT.
I am in the group of stakeholders that have a business that rely on
CouchDB. And I use couchApps hosted on Cloudant. I would like to
see the community grow, not split again and there seems to be a
tone developing that I am sorry if I have been a contributor to.
Rather than having wide-reaching discussion about dream features
of future couchapps, I will try to stay on the subject of a future
for couchapps or not.
The "watch me" from Jan below is very disturbing to me.
I would appreciate seeing some comments from PMC members on this.
Johs
On 18. sep. 2015, at 13.52, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote:
- you don't know if tomorrow some erlang skilled couchapp lover
won't get
in and start working on the app part (to say the truth some of
them were
already active in the past, but they chose to left just because
of
this/yours direction)
In my last email I specifically suggested for such a person to
step up and I’d welcome them wholeheartedly.
- you can't remove something that ALREADY exists which A LOT of
people
like, use and have businesses on top, just because you and a few
people
don't like it
Watch me.
--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
