Hi Florian, As I said in previous message, I'm taking this discussion further here in Brazil.I intend to resolve this as quickly as possible. However it is worth emphasizing a point that you raised. We are not creating "parallel universes". The Brazilian structure existed for 05 years. The reality now is different and we are objectively discussing how to set things right.
Soon I would like to talk specifically about some tools we need. And let me say that I agree with the main issue discussed here:the redirection of Brazilian domains for the TDFstructure. Regards, Luiz Oliveira > Hello, > > I'd like to add a few thoughts of mine to this thread. > > I am very sorry to hear what happened and still is happening in > Brazil. To me, as for the whole Steering Committee, it has always been > very important to be not on one side. It is sad for me to see that > there seem to be two groups and lots of changes, and I have worked > with trust, respect and joy with members of both groups, and I would > like to do so in the future as well. As Brazil is far away, and I > don't know the situation very well, I always tried to stay out of the > line of fire, which I hope is understandable. > > Sorry if this now sounds rather harsh, but my take is: > > Domain names with LibreOffice or The Document Foundation should be > under control of The Document Foundation, and the official mailing > lists for each project have to be the ones we offer. > > Let me explain why: It is not about controlling things or not allowing > others to be active. In contrast, we would like to have people active > on their own, without asking us for permission. Our approach is open, > meritocratic and transparent. However, we all have learned from the > past that it can happen too quick that projects and groups go their > own way, and confusion is created on who is talking on behalf of whom. > Diversity can be a gift, but it can also be a high risk if we are too > diverse. > > Hosting a website under the LibreOffice or TDF domain name with own > content soon will create the idea that this content is official. Even > more, it will spread knowledge and tools, which in the end can have > bad consequences for us. > > Don't get the impression that we do want to dictate what you have to > use. I know that the situation and requirements are different from > country to country, and that some users are more comfortable with this > tool, others with other tools. We try hard to provide something > everyone can benefit from, and I invite you to raise concerns, > questions and wishes to our public mailing lists. > > We are all TDF, so there is no one dictating things. Sure, sometimes > there's one in charge who has to "wear a hat" and have the final say, > and there is also the Steering Committee if in doubt, but that's no > different to any well-developed open source community. > > For the current situation, to me it is rather clear: > Please connect the TDF and LibO domain names in Brazil to our > nameservers, so we can point them to our infrastructure. If there are > legal concerns of being the domain holder, but having services > connected to our servers, please let me know -- there is a legally > working way to transfer the domain names to the German association and > later on to the Foundation when it exists. I've already discussed that > with our provider, who provides a trustee service in Brazil if needed. > > What I neither can understand nor accept is that a website is built in > parallel, e-mail addresses are being handed out, and separate mailing > lists are created. I guess I repeat myself by saying that I want all > of us to work on one thing, united, speaking with one voice. Too much > diversity and "parallel universes" do not help, they do harm. They > harm a lot. > > Of course I respect the work that the Brazilian community has done the > past years, but it can be no argument that you now need the > LibreOffice domain name for connecting your servers, otherwise data > from five years would be lost. How long has the LibreOffice name been > existing? Roughly seven months, so this is no argument. I am happy to > provide you a DNS alias so you have a domain name to connect your > machine to, in case you don't have any other domain name available -- > but the main website really needs to point to the TDF infrastructure. > > pt-br.libreoffice.org is our Brazilian website, and contributors are > welcome. I am also more than happy to provide a link to previous > content from there if this is suitable. But, please, do not build up > your parallel universe with own sites, tools, addresses and mailing > lists. > > Especially in these times, working united, collaborating as a team, > exchanging thoughts as friends, is more important than ever. > > I beg your trust, and ask you to cooperate with us in this matter. We > are flexible in tools and sites, and we can improve things when > improvements are needed, but TDF has been created to have all assets > in one hand, independent, safe, stable and secure. > > Joining us in this mission is, I hope, also to upmost interest for you. > > Florian > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
