Hi all, People who should be here is still uttered quietly in the shadows. Sorry!
I'll try to be practical again. Like Paulo, I don't care about domains. I'm not the owner of any domain, was not associated with the NGO BrOffice, therefore do not know what was agreed between the people who decided to kill it. The Brazilian Community of LibreOffice, all users regardless of formal institution, has nothing about it. I talked to Claudio yesterday by email and he agreed to redirect all domains ".org.br" to TDF's infra. But, personally, I don't agree to pass the domains to any Brazilian entity, only for the TDF. It's safer!! Another thing, the question of parallel universes is a great nonsense or a terrible misunderstanding. The only filter that we haveis the language. Many can't communicate in English. I do it badly and badly. I can assure you the general feeling here is we belong to a worldwide community called The Document Foundation that develops a great product, LibreOfficewhich we are most proud.Everything we do here is to promote these brands (TDF and LibreOffice), nothing more than that. I hope to end this discussion as soon as possible because we have much to do yet. About the magazine:Florian, just give us a mailing list within the TDF structure and we migrated immediately. My suggestion: [email protected] Thank's a lot, Luiz Oliveira > Hello Paulo, > > Paulo de Souza Lima wrote on 2011-05-10 03.21: > >> The websites itself? No. Domains? maybe. Until the NGO is not completely >> undone (legaly talking...) the domains are safe. Once the NGO is >> competely >> over, the domain must be transfered to another NGO (and it MUST be an >> NGO, > > as said, I talked to our ISP, and they offer a trustee service for > Brazilian domains, so we can transfer the domain to someone holding it > for TDF. I will verify again with them based on the information you > gave me (NGO needed), but in case that's indeed possible, wouldn't it > be the best solution, to have the domain names independent from one > entity? > >> not a person or a private company). I suppose that ALTA could >> "kindly" offer >> to do that, but if you decide it it will be a proof that TDF members >> are not >> reliable for Brazilian Community. Sorry for these words, but it's the >> crude >> truth. > > I am happy to make a trustee contact with one of the Brazilian > non-profit organizations, in case our provider does not offer a > trustee service for .org.br domain names. I am also happy to show that > trustee contract to the public then -- so there should be no risk for > anyone, whether it's ALTA or another entity. > >> migration to TDF websites. As I stated before, personally, I really >> don't >> care who will own libreoffice.org.br domain name. And I think people >> in the >> community doesn't care at all. But.... as I said before: giving the > > I heard something different about that. I heard that the > libreoffice.org.br domain cannot be given to us or put under TDF > control, and I even read that some people are to hand out e-mail > addresses @libreoffice.org.br. So, I am glad that you don't care who > will own that domain name, but it seems not everyone shares that. > >> ownership to the people who are threatening us will be a shame and an >> insult. > > Does the German association, that at the moment legally represents TDF > until it is a legal entity by itself, threat you? If not, I guess you > have no objections to us having a trustee contract with our provider > to host the domain names, or if that is not possible, with any of the > Brazilian NGOs. As said, I am happy to show that trustee contact in > public then. Are there any objections to that? > >> But, yet, my first question is not answered: Why North American >> Community >> can use the brand in their domain name and Brazilian Community can't? >> This >> is a real strage behavior. > > I'll reply to that in your other mail soon. > >> And I have another question: Will we be allowed to use that brand in our >> magazine, once it's a real contribution to Libreoffice marketing? > > We have a trademark policy in place that has been discussed and agreed > upon in public, with everyone being able to contribute: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TradeMark_Policy > > So, legally spoken, you need permission to do so, but in general, I > personally have no objection. If the project is introduced to the > list, with everyone from the Community being able to join, so it's not > a closed group, and it follows our open, transparent and meritocratic > principles: Of course. You should formally ask as described in the > Trademark Policy, but I have a feeling you might get a positive reply. > :-) > > It is not about keeping all legal assets just for "us". "Us" is the > Community, we decide together on how to use these, in the - you get it > - open, transparent and meritocratic process. That decision is > independent from individuals, and that's exactly why TDF has been > set-up. We want to be independent, and be able to host all assets for > the Community. > > Florian > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
