Hi :) I was just saying that if you try to sell a used car then pointing at the flat tyres and saying the wheels are great is not likely to result in a good sale.
Selling Base for what it is good for shows people how much more advanced and powerful LibreOffice is. Trying to sell Base for what Access is good for (and the 1 thing that Base is bad at) is a bit dismal. It underplays our hand. Why compete with MS when we can change the conversation and by doing so be sooo far ahead. Regards from Tom :) >________________________________ > From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013, 14:37 >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information > > > >This is not the place to do this discussion. > >We need to work on a brochure not fix any Base problems on this >thread[s] about the various brochures. > >I need a brochure for my local work. If we start talking about problems >with LO, that will not get up anywhere. > >To be honest, most people I deal with do not use MSO Access, so Base is >not an issue. > >SO let us work on the text of the brochure. Let us work on the things >we can, and let the developers work on the thing they can, > > >On 05/10/2013 12:39 AM, Tom Davies wrote: >> Hi :) >> So when people suffer data-loss due to using the internal back-end what is >> the Users List supposed to say? I guess we just blame it on marketing not >> knowing about a known issue. >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >> >> >> >> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Jean Weber <[email protected]> >>> To: Tom Davies <[email protected]> >>> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013, 5:21 >>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information >>> >>> >>> Tom, >>> Base works fine for the many users who don't do anything more than dead >>> simple stuff, so it's not a "horribly broken nightmare" for most people. Of >>> course, for those affected, that's no doubt true. >>> >>> But give it a rest; by continually carrying on about it on the marketing >>> list you accomplish nothing other than annoying people, most of whom can't >>> solve the problem anyway. >>> >>> Marc, I think your phrasing is good. The "also" definitely is appropriate >>> and needed. >>> >>> --Jean >>> >>> On 10/05/2013, at 14:08, Tom Davies <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi :) >>>> Yes, i took "also" out because when used with the internal back-end Base >>>> is a horribly broken nightmare. It's only when used with an external >>>> back-end, such as an up-to-date untweaked version of HsqlDB (rather than >>>> the ancient mangled one inside Base) or even better with MySql / MariaDB >>>> or PostgreSQL or others that Base really becomes quite powerful. >>>> >>>> If i was trying to sell a car i wouldn't start the sales-pitch by pointing >>>> out the flat wheels and rattling exhaust-pipe! >>>> Regards from >>>> Tom :) >>>> >>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: Marc Paré <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 21:49 >>>>> Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for getting back to this so late. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the input Italo. I'll change the text. I also like Tom's >>>>> version but I think without the "also" it sounds as if Base does not >>>>> come as an installed database. If we were to put "also" back in, then >>>>> the impression is that Base is an installed database but could also act >>>>> as a frontend to the databases you mention. >>>>> >>>>> How about if we had: >>>>> >>>>> "Base is a desktop database designed to meet the needs of most users. >>>>> It is a valuable and powerful asset to link to the other LibreOffice >>>>> applications. Base can also be a good front-end to many >>>>> enterprise-class databases such as MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL." >>>>> >>>>> Would this sound better? I think with the "also" included it clarifies >>>>> what Base is all about, but, mentioning the MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL >>>>> also shows that it is extensible. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Marc >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Le 06/05/13 12:00 PM, Tom Davies a écrit : >>>>>> Hi :) >>>>>> +1 >>>>>> Perhaps remove "also" as Base is at it's strongest when used as a >>>>>> front-end. It seems to be the default way of using Base and it's much >>>>>> easier to get Base to co-operate with that than it is with Access. So, >>>>>> perhaps >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Writer is a full-featured word processing application, which can also >>>>>> work as a desktop publishing tool. It's simple enough to use for a quick >>>>>> memo, but powerful enough to create complete books with contents, >>>>>> diagrams and indexes. You're free to concentrate on your message, while >>>>>> Writer will make it look great. >>>>>> >>>>>> Base is a desktop database >>>>>> designed to meet the needs of most users. It is a valuable and powerful >>>>>> asset to link to the other LibreOffice applications. Base can be a >>>>>> good front-end to many enterprise-class databases such as MySql/MariaDB >>>>>> or PostgreSQL. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards from >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>> From: Italo Vignoli <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 6 May 2013, 16:30 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General >>>>>>> Information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Il 06/05/2013 17:18, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Italo? >>>>>>> I would change slightly the Writer text and tone down the Base one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My proposal: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Writer is a full-featured word processing application, which can also >>>>>>> work as a desktop publishing tool. It's simple enough to use for a >>>>>>> quick memo, but powerful enough to create complete books with contents, >>>>>>> diagrams and indexes. You're free to concentrate on your message, while >>>>>>> Writer will make it look great. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Base is a desktop database designed to meet the needs of most users. It >>>>>>> is a valuable and powerful asset to link to the other LibreOffice >>>>>>> applications. Base can also be used as a front-end to many >>>>>>> enterprise-class databases. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Italo Vignoli - [email protected] >>>>>>> mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP [email protected] >>>>>>> skype italovignoli - gtalk [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Marc Paré >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://www.parEntreprise.com >>>>> parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) >>>>> parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] >>>>> Problems? >>>>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>>>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ >>>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>>>> deleted >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] >>>> Problems? >>>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ >>>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>>> deleted >>>> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] >>> Problems? >>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>> deleted >>> >>> >>> > > >-- >To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] >Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ >All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
