On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 5:56 PM Drew Jensen <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 2:42 PM kainz.a <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I plan to have at least also groupedbar compact out of experimental. Work >> is in finishing. >> > > I have the task of writing the draft for the Calc guide appendix on the > Notebookbar interface changes. Likely that will feed the work on the > Getting Started Guide appendix of the same name. > > Adding another UI will add plenty of work. > > I would also hope you mean it when you say it will be finished, because > from a system perspective and IMO tabbed notebook bar was not. > Customization is lost when the new UI is active (extension or user added > buttons not available, extension and user added menus not available) and a > number of keyboard shorts cuts (which actually require the top level menus) > no longer function. I would of thought such details required to be moved > from experimental to standard feature. > > Then there are changes, for instance buttons of similar name and function > between standard toolbar and notebook bar actually function slightly > differently (don't know how many of those there are but there have been a > few found and confirmed that the change in behavior is intentional). > And finally, the help system - there is no online help for the Notebook bar (except for a two paragraph mention, which says it is experimental and how to turn it on and off - so 50% of what is there is wrong in other words) - I would expect that on-line help should also of been a prerequisite for graduation from experimental. Now I'm done. > > Best wishes, > > Drew > > > >> >> Am Sa., 24. Nov. 2018, 18:36 hat Nigel Verity <[email protected]> >> geschrieben: >> >>> Drew/Mike >>> >>> That answers all the points I raised. Thanks very much. >>> >>> It would be both interesting and useful to capture some stats about how >>> popular the notebookbar vs standard toolbar prove to be, but I'm not sure >>> this can be automated without being intrusive >>> >>> Nige >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Drew Jensen <[email protected]> >>> Sent: 24 November 2018 16:52 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Cc: [email protected]; Tdf Marketing >>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of >>> LibreOffice'. >>> >>> Howdy Mike, >>> >>> I will reply in line. >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 9:56 AM Nigel Verity <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> Mike >>> >>> With the notebookbar coming out of experimental I'm assuming it will be >>> selected from the "User Interface" item on the "View" menu, as now when the >>> user permits experimental features. >>> >>> Yes, but only one item is added to the view menu, 'Tabbed'. The other >>> versions of a notebookbar visible when experimental features is selected >>> are still experimental. >>> >>> >>> This gives 9 options, of which 6 relate to an MS Office type of menu >>> system. I can't help thinking this will confuse as many people as it >>> impresses. Has a decision been made as to which option is the default for a >>> user selecting the notebookbar rather than the classic menu? Perhaps a >>> one-click method to toggle between the default notebookbar and classic menu >>> should be considered. >>> >>> With 6.2 the default look after installation is the Standard Toolbar (as >>> old and stayed as that look is). >>> >>> Switching to the Tabbed (notebook bar) is available, by module, from the >>> top level View menu. >>> >>> When the Tabbed (notebook bar) is visible the top level menu is removed. >>> The Tabbed bar now offers two drop down menus, one is available across all >>> tabs, there is also a tab specific menu. >>> >>> The ability to change back to the Standard Toolbar UI is always >>> available from the All Tabs drop down menu, which of course restores the >>> top level menu also. >>> >>> It should also me noted that secondary toolbars can still be used with >>> the Tabbed (notebook bar), this is controlled both by context (some >>> functions turn on secondary tool bars) or by the user from an item on the >>> All Tabs drop down menu. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Drew >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Nige >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Mike Saunders <[email protected]<mailto: >>> [email protected]>> >>> Sent: 23 November 2018 08:46 >>> To: [email protected]<mailto: >>> [email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Infographic 'Changing Face of >>> LibreOffice'. >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> On 23/11/2018 09:09, kainz.a wrote: >>> > >>> > I would recommend to focus on some toppics and don't mix everything in >>> one >>> > Poster. >>> >>> Yep, I agree! Drew, it's a great idea and thanks for working on it, but >>> I think we need to focus on one thing at a time with the messaging. >>> Otherwise people may get the idea that LibreOffice is too complicated, >>> can't decide on a cohesive interface etc. >>> >>> The NotebookBar is going to be a big deal for LO 6.2, so we need to >>> focus on one or two variants of it and say: >>> >>> * What it is (a new, OPTIONAL user interface design -- we're not >>> changing everything! Otherwise we'll get a huge amount of angry comments >>> on social media ;-) ) >>> >>> * Why it's great (work with items in context, faster workflow etc.) >>> >>> * How to try it -- and super important, how to go back! >>> >>> IMO we need to simultaneously communicate that LibreOffice 6.2 has the >>> same reliable, trusted, familiar user interface as previous releases, >>> but is also modern, forward-looking and adaptable. 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