The "Trolley Problem" which Brian Holtz tries to use
to justify aggression amounts to this:  Do you push an
innocent fat man in front of a trolley, if killling
him that way would save other people further down the
track?

The fat guy owns his own life; if he wants to stop the
trolley he can jump in front of it.  Pushing the fat
guy is legally murder.  Yet Holtz advocates pushing
him.  Philosopher Judith Thomson devised this problem
because she thought nobody would ever believe you
should push the fat man in front of the trolley. 

I don't suggest that anybody needs to argue this
again; and certainly not here.  But consider the
points of view. Dictators make their trolleys run on
tiime because they own your life and can kill you when
it is convenient.  Libertarians believe you own your
own life, and nobody, not even the government, has the
right to take your life from you.

If you want to read about trolley massacre, see Brian
Holtz site:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marketliberal/message/861
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/marketliberal/message/810

The subject has already been explored

Harland Harrison
LP of San Mateo County CA


--- Brian Holtz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes :
> Susan Hogarth wrote:
> 
> SH> I think that a person is more or less
> libertarian according to the  amount of aggression
> (including taxation) he advocates. <SH
> 
> A better metric is the net incidence of aggression
> that would occur if his policies were adopted. 
> An even better metric might  be to differentiate the
> latter metric over the time variable: the change in
> the net incidence of aggression that would occur
> because of the policy changes he advocates.
> 
> Aggression does not end up minimized if
> liberty-lovers merely resolve to promote
> aggression-virginity through the example
> of their chastity.  The just-say-no approach of
> aggression abstinence has the virtue of requiring
> less thinking (e.g. about counterfactuals), but it
> fails to minimize aggression in the real world,
> and even runs aground in basic thought
> experiments such as the Trolley Problem
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem> .
> 
> Again, the child and her doctor both oppose pain,
> but only one recognizes the necessity of needles.
> 
> 



        

        
                
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