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From: A.R. G via Marxism
I also wonder what sort of
treatment a Palestinian would get if he were simply giving "humanitarian
aid" to a member of Al Nusra.
Problem is that no-one has demonstrated that Israel has given any
medical aid to a member of Nusra. All we know is that Israel doesn't do
a check. Do people assume Nusra gives out membership cards that they
keep in their pocket? Do you think if the IDF asks them "are you Nusra"
they will just tell them? Should they check with a Syrian regime data
base on Nusra members?
If their aim is to keep the flames stoked, then they could easily do
either
bombs or medical aid, I don't see why it makes a difference as far as
understanding exactly what Israel is trying to do on the ground. Bombs
or bandages,
what's the difference if the aim is to maintain a stalemate between
Assad
and the rebels?
I disagree that the aim is to keep the flames stoked. The flames are
stoked and there is not a damn thing Israel can do about that even if it
wanted to. It may well be that Israel prefers "both sides to lose" as
Kissinger famously proposed for the Iran-Iraq war, but it is not doing
much to help this process. How do you "keep the flames stoked" by
providing medical aid as a "weapon" against warplanes, helicopters,
barrel bombs, ballistic missiles, chlorine gas etc? The absolutely
overwhelming superiority in weaponry in the hands of the regime is
obvious; if Israel wanted to "balance things a little, not for the
rebels to win, but just to give a fight to the regime", then surely
Israel would at least supply some half-useful weapons, as opposed to the
large amount of nothing which the UN reports show it has supplied. Of
course, the flames remain stoked because, as in other revolutionary
guerilla wars, the people have nothing to lose, and over time they
capture weaponry from the regime.
Joseph Catron:
"As for Michael's comparison with Palestinians, it's hardly substantial
enough to merit commentary. Israel is the occupying power, and pressure
from the international community forces it to make some meager
allowances
for the welfare of Palestinians under its control, including advanced
health care not available in the '67 territories"
So Israel looks after Palestinian civilians and fighters due to
"pressure from the international community." Geez, that's good, because
I've never heard much about that before. But given this, I wonder if
there might be some kinds of pressure from the reality on the ground,
from "the international community", in relation to the total devastation
next door. Israel is a front-line state to the Syrian Nakba. However,
front-line states supply different amounts and types of support. Turkey,
Jordan and Lebanon have taken in millions of refugees, Iraq a few and
Israel none. The US/Iranian regime in Iraq's main contribution to Syria
has been Shiite and Sunni extremists/mass killers. Turkey has taken in
nearly half these refugees (1.75 million) and has contributed some 6
billion USD to the refugees. Israel's contribution is a bit of medical
aid to civilians and fighters near the occupied Golan, about 1500 people
over 2 years. That's a mere 1500 people from a country where 100s of
1000s have been killed and many 100s of 1000s more - probably
approaching a million - have been wounded. Yet this pissy little effort
is derided not for being pissy, but as being some great concrete
material support for the rebellion, even for "al-Qaida." You're kidding,
right?
"Including advanced health care not available in the '67 territories."
Are you saying that any kind of health care is "available" in
rebel-controlled territory in Syria, where the hospitals have been
bombed to bits and 100s of medical staff murdered by the regime?
"government terms 'military gear') and that later Babar delivered these
materials to the third-ranking member of al-Qaida in South Waziristan,
Pakistan."
http://slate.me/1g2V1Lk
I wonder what he makes of Israel flipping military aid from the same
government that prosecuted him to help fighters in Syria for the same
group? Egad."
Huh? One moment you are talking about al-Qaida, the next about "helping
fighters in Syria for the same group." Which group? Al-Qaida? But as you
well know, the entire "evidence" for Israel helping "al-Qaida" in Syria
are the lying article *titles* by Winstanely, Khalek, Silverstein etc.
Luko:
"Well, it's not that those anti-government fighters wander aimlessly
across the Syrian territory, and quite accidentely stumble about the
Israeli border."
?? Ah, they live there. The fight goes on where people live. So the
fight right on the "Israeli border" is being waged by people who happen
to live there. They do not come from "all over Syria" to reach the
"border"
"They all do certainly know very well that they can bring a Pickup full
of wounded fighters to the Israeli border post for the injured to be
taken care of in an Israeli hospital. And are then not turned over to
the official government of the neighboring country."
I'm unclear what you mean by the "official government of the
neighbouring country," but if I can understand, on the basis of
bourgeois prejudice, that you mean the terrorist gang currently
occupying Damascus (which is, correctly, not recognised by the Arab
League), then how can Israel "turn them over" since that gang no longer
occupies the "border" region? And are you saying it would be correct to
hand over wounded people, who need hospital care, to a regime that would
instead kill them or put them in a cell to bleed to death? Just because
that is the correct bourgeois thing to do based on ancient notions of
"sovereignty"? Suit yourself.
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