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If you read my 5 August reply to his thread you know I remember the Goldwater campaign of 1964. My Dad told me Goldwater got stupid when he got drunk and he got drunk often. In fact, as a fast rising GOP operative , my Dad ran a dirty-tricks MLK Jr. write-in campaign <http://www.nytimes.com/1964/11/03/negro-leaflet-ruse-charged-to-gop.html?_r=0> in key districts in 1964, spending a lot of GOP money in the process. The idea, of course, was to help Goldwater get elected by getting blacks to "vote their conscious" by switching from that Southerner to Dr. King. By the time Reagan got into the White House, Clay Claiborne, Sr. joined Richard Bissell as one of the 17 members of the think tank strategy board[ or CIA front?] that issued the white paper <https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-jSjF_BRc405xqwwk/A%20Strategy%20for%20peace%20through%20strength_djvu.txt> for Reagan's plans to take down the Soviet Union So as it happens, I have had a lot of info, some of it not public, about every GOP president & campaign since Ike. I cried when Nixon got elected in 1968, but not because I feared he was going to reverse Johnson's trend in civil rights, but because I feared it would mean 4 more years of war in Vietnam, which it did. So not only have I lived, as a black person in the US, through all those presidencies, I generally had some insight into their inter-workings. Goldwater was widely called out as a racist because he refused to back the 1964 civil rights law but he didn't make white supremacy a big part of his campaign and as I pointed out in the above referenced post, his stand on the klan in 1964 was better that Trump's today! Nixon was the one who took the GOP down the road of the racist "Southern Strategy" it been on since, courting white voters with racist dog whistles but I defy you to find the Nixon equivalents of building a wall to keep Mexicans out, or banning all Muslims. Trump is certainly giving a wink to the white supremacists, to use your happy phrase, in a way that no candidate with a real possibly of becoming president has done in my lifetime. I can tell you how Hilary Clinton used racism against Obama in NH in the '08 primaries. If you don't already know that one, then you probably don't need to try to educate me about the racism of the Clintons. Yes, every presidential candidate, especially from the GOP has used white supremacy to get elected, but I'm here to tell you that no other major presidential campaign in my lifetime has put white supremacy at its center like the Trump campaign. The black masses are on the Defeat Trump/Stop White Supremacist bandwagon. At least I think that is what the numbers show. Obama got 93% of the black vote. Clinton is expected do as well, some polls have her doing better. So much for the claim blacks just voted for Obama because he is black. In the past, the GOP could count on a small black vote <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-voters-trump_us_57a4a2a1e4b021fd98784a42>. Bush got 9% in 2000 and 11% in 2004. Trump is expected to get 1% of the black vote. Some polls have him with 0% Now, why do you suppose that is? I think its because most black people in the US are of the same opinion as this seasoned black Marxist, which is to say that the Trump campaign represents a qualitatively new threat to us. Some people may think it would be just peachy keen if all those black voters were to switch their votes from Clinton to Stein even if it meant Trump gets in the WH but those black voters are not going to vote against their best interest. I am finding it quite interesting that those arguing against voting for either Trump or Clinton, find themselves arguing that Trump really isn't that bad. I think we are going to see these two arguments joined a lot, the same way people opposed to intervention in Syria feel the need to bad mouth the revolution. So to answer your twice put question. The Left is so tiny that I don't think it will matter whether they vote for Clinton on not, so they should feel free to vote whatever makes them feel good, they have that privilege. And truly, from their POV, a Trump presidency that institutionalizes racism at a new level, won't be as big a problem as it will be for colored people. Either Hilary Clinton or Donal Trump will be the next president of the US. That's just the way it is. I think its important that we stand with the black masses, in fact all people of color, in the US that will be voting overwhelmingly to keep Trump out of the WH by voting for Clinton. I expect the white Left to give backhand support for Trump by campaigning harder against Clinton than Trump, and by working harder to win voters away from Clinton than it will to win white voters away from Trump. Trump only has white voters. This is almost certainly more true about him that any other presidential candidate in my lifetime. This is another aspect of this election I expect the white Left to down play. If he is elected, it will be by almost exclusively white voters and because enough people didn't vote for the other guy, who in this case is a women. I expect the white Left to find a new unity across "anti-imperialist" lines by adopting the Putin friendly policy of convincing as many people as it can not to vote for the only other person that has a chance of beating Trump. You are right to say the white supremacists were crawling out from under their rocks as soon as Obama and his family moved into the White House. If Trump gets elected they will be crawling into the White House to replace him. Some of us don't share your indifference to that possibility but my Dad would be so happy in his grave to know that the white Left is doing what he did in 1964 for an even more racist GOP candidate without even getting paid for it. Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust <http://VietnamAmericanHolocaust.com> Linux Beach Productions Venice, CA 90291 (310) 581-1536 Read my blogs at the Linux Beach <http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/> <http://wlcentral.org/user/2965/track> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Dennis Brasky <[email protected]> wrote: > "an openly and profoundly white supremacist way - one we haven't > seen before" - Clay - you are certainly old enough to remember Nixon's > 1968 "law and order" campaign which crudely catered to the George Wallace > crowd, and the 1980 Reagan campaign where his first appearance after > getting the Repug nomination was to Philadelphia, Mississippi - the site of > the muder of the three civil rights workers in 1964 - where he made his > stand for white supremacy - in the guise of "states' rights." > > Trump is certainly giving a wink to the white supremacists, but they were > crawling out from under their rocks as soon as Obama and his family moved > into the White House, and they will continue to do so whether Trump wins or > loses. > > BTW - please clarify - it sounds like you are implying that we should join > the Defeat Trump/Stop Fascism bandwagon, another way of saying Vote > Clinton. Am I right or wrong on this? > > On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Clay Claiborne via Marxism < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> You completely ignore my main argument that what makes the Trump candidacy >> and potential Trump presidency particularly dangerous is that it is being >> done in an openly and profoundly white supremacist way - one we haven't >> seen before. I argue that white supremacists are already feeling empowered >> by Trump and colored people are already starting to feel the consequent. >> You don't respond to any of that. (Not your problem?) >> >> _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
