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"The capitalist class remains atomized socially and politically but are allowed to function well within the rules of capitalist accumulation all subordinated and "planned" by the state." With all due respect David, I have no idea how you wrote that, since you have often described your own visit to China some years back. If you didn't see copious and proud and boastful displays of unbridled wealth more or less everywhere, then I'd have to assume you were mistaken about which country you were visiting. Socially, the capitalist place is the opposite of atomised. Socially,they are all powerful, and this is celebrated in the state-owned media, and in the top rungs of the Chinese "Communist" Party. Politically, since the CCP opened its doors to the capitalist class around 2001, they've flooded into the party,and party members, leaders, governors etc have hurriedly and massively embraced this new directive to become leaders of the "advanced productive forces". Anthony's post just now about the numbers of billionnaires at the top of the party and state tell us just how politically non-atomised they are. Yes, a kind of state-directed capitalism, like Keynesianism, like fascism, like Nasserism/Peronism, like NICism etc. But a "state capitalist state" as some kind of new social formation? A tad unscientific I would think. Really, what is the big resistance still to recognising China as a capitalist state? On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 5:10 AM, DW via Marxism <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > Anthony Boynton wrote: > > "Yes, there is some way that the state in China can be described other than > as a "capitalist state" or "deformed workers state": it is a "state > capitalist state"." > > Indeed...this my position as well. it is the only form of political economy > that makes any sense. The capitalist class remains atomized socially and > politically but are allowed to function well within the rules of capitalist > accumulation all subordinated and "planned" by the state. It's State > Capitalism come to life. > > David > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/mkaradjis%40gmail.com _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
