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Evidently you haven't read Michael Robert's blog. There is a lot of resistance obviously. I think there is capitalism in China but it doesn't seem to be like the kind of capitalism that responds simply to market pressures, stock dividends, or profitability. I find it odd that investment there is not geared to solely toward profitability based on, what all capitalism is today, speculation and moving paper around. But I would challenge you Michael to show how this is simply warmed over Nasserism or Peronism. It seems very different than that. If you think there is an effective finance capitalist *class* I'd like to see it. China represents a very strange bird though it's obviosuly a form of "capitalism" dusting off a worn appellation like 'bonarpartism' (which is what you are doing) simply isn't very helpful. David On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:21 PM, mkaradjis . <mkarad...@gmail.com> wrote: > "The capitalist class remains atomized socially and > politically but are allowed to function well within the rules of capitalist > accumulation all subordinated and "planned" by the state." > > With all due respect David, I have no idea how you wrote that, since > you have often described your own visit to China some years back. If > you didn't see copious and proud and boastful displays of unbridled > wealth more or less everywhere, then I'd have to assume you were > mistaken about which country you were visiting. Socially, the > capitalist place is the opposite of atomised. Socially,they are all > powerful, and this is celebrated in the state-owned media, and in the > top rungs of the Chinese "Communist" Party. Politically, since the CCP > opened its doors to the capitalist class around 2001, they've flooded > into the party,and party members, leaders, governors etc have > hurriedly and massively embraced this new directive to become leaders > of the "advanced productive forces". Anthony's post just now about the > numbers of billionnaires at the top of the party and state tell us > just how politically non-atomised they are. > > Yes, a kind of state-directed capitalism, like Keynesianism, like > fascism, like Nasserism/Peronism, like NICism etc. But a "state > capitalist state" as some kind of new social formation? A tad > unscientific I would think. > > Really, what is the big resistance still to recognising China as a > capitalist state? > > On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 5:10 AM, DW via Marxism > <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > > ***************************************************************** > > > > Anthony Boynton wrote: > > > > "Yes, there is some way that the state in China can be described other > than > > as a "capitalist state" or "deformed workers state": it is a "state > > capitalist state"." > > > > Indeed...this my position as well. it is the only form of political > economy > > that makes any sense. The capitalist class remains atomized socially and > > politically but are allowed to function well within the rules of > capitalist > > accumulation all subordinated and "planned" by the state. It's State > > Capitalism come to life. > > > > David > > _________________________________________________________ > > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/ > options/marxism/mkaradjis%40gmail.com > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
