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Philip wrote:
“> P. Dunn wrote: "You cannot even tell if there is any value hidden away> in
there since things can have a price without having a value."> > Really...how is
that, how can things have a price without having a> value?> Good question, but
it should be directed at the fellow who wrote:"Things which in and by
themselves are not commodities, such asconscience, honor, etc., can be put up
for sale by their owners, and canthus, through their price, acquire the
commodity form. Hence a thing canhave a price without having value. In that
case, the price expression isimaginary, like certain magnitudes used in
mathematical calculations. Onthe other hand, the imaginary price form may
sometimes conceal a director indirect value relation; for instance,
uncultivated land may have aprice, though it has no value, since no human labor
has beenincorporated in it."” Yes, Philip, but here Marx is talking about
imaginary prices (precisely, price expressions which are not determined by
value) in particular conjunctures. And I would say these fictions decrease in
number the more capitalism expands. The way you phrased your comment, or maybe,
more like the way I read it, was that things in general can have a price which
is not determined by their value. And what I want to say is that the
price-form comes after and is determined by the value-form, which is what Marx
develops at the beginning. The question is: how does the representation of
abstract labor by the price-form come into being without value? It doesn’t.
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