Hi Louis and all, I agree that socialist have to argue against many dominant political views amongst all sorts of groups, but my point is that we should have a realistic assessment of what those views are. Secondly, I think socialist have to explain what they have in mind as their practical alternative. Community policing by neighbors, for example, is not a realistic alternative against well armed gangs. We need to offer a practical reform and "defund the police" is a slogan but not a program. We may believe that a socialist revolution will eliminate the police or transform them radically, though that does not seem to have happened anywhere. So we also have to explain our conception of how a socialist revolution would transform the police, even if such a revolution is a distant prospect. Dan
My latest book, my first novel. trotskyintijuana.com On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 10:41 AM Louis Proyect <[email protected]> wrote: > On 9/4/20 10:33 AM, Dan La Botz wrote: > > But my neighbors want policing because there is gang violence (including > some shooting deaths), theft, and other crime in the neighborhood. > > Of course Black people want cops. They also want capitalism. Polls are > problematic, however. Just consider: > > Though many African Americans have told pollsters they support the > struggles of undocumented immigrants, others are protesting for stricter > enforcement of immigration laws...a poll by the Pew Research Center found > that many blacks were hostile toward illegal immigrants. The sore point > with them was jobs. They blamed illegal immigrants for worsening the dire > plight of young, poor African-American males. Recent studies by researchers > at Harvard, Columbia, and Princeton, and the Urban League’s annual State of > Black America report confirm that black males suffer a jobless rate double > and triple that of white males in some urban areas. Their unemployment > numbers are also substantially higher than those of Latino males. Some > economists and employment studies finger illegal immigration as a big cause > of the economic slippage of low and marginally skilled young black males. > > > https://imdiversity.com/villages/hispanic/polls-dont-capture-blacks-intense-debate-over-immigration/ > > Socialists don't allow majority opinion to mold our politics. If we did, > we'd stop being socialists. (Of course, I am not talking about polls that > show millions supporting socialism when they have Sweden in mind rather > than Cuba.) > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#1156): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/1156 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/76629543/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES<br />#1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message.<br />#2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived.<br />#3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/8674936/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
