> > From the standpoint of Karl Marx, AOC is not a genuine socialist. According > ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esLJRHU-GvA ) to her, it is possible to > be both a socialist and a capitalist. When asked about her definition of > socialism, AOC said ( > https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-july-1-2018-n888096 ) that: > “[T]he definition of democratic socialism to me, again, is the fact that > in a modern, moral and wealthy society, no American should be too poor to > live.” What she proposes is a welfare state along the lines of the New > Deal, Great Society, or Scandinavia, but this is not socialism. >
I quickly learned it is not wise to bring up the PSL here, but one of our basic principles, in the PSL ,is it is not possible to be a socialist within the confines of a bourgeois, capitalist party. I am not in the DSA, but I could never join an organization where any part of the membership supports reformation of the existing capitalist/imperialist system ,by working within one of the political parties that helped form this same system. This is why many of us on the "hard" left, reject not only the DSA, but the CPUSA and groups like Socialist Alternative as well. Building movements in the long term is more important than winning elections in the short term. New Deal, or Great Society liberalism is not socialism, no matter how hard the right (And this includes liberals and so-called "centrists", ) want to present it as such. Socialists are revolutioaries, not reformists. >From what I understand, the topic of working within the Democratic Party, as >well as that of reform vs revolution is one of much debate within the ranks of >the DSA. It is an issue the DSA needs to resolve once and for all. Are they >going to be a real force for change in this country, or merely a "junior >partner" to the Democratic Party? AOC's positions on war and imperialism, which should be no brainers for any socialist, are,as this article points out, antithetical to socialism, and are little different from Bernie's. It was because of Bernie's record on war and imperialism, that I could never support Bernie. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#6451): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/6451 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/80617982/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. -=-=- Group Owner: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/8674936/1316126222/xyzzy [[email protected]] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
