To Marv's question, 
I love the question because it confirms the conclusion that the various "third 
party" options are no more than pressure groups attempting with a thread bare 
string to pull the Democrats to the left while massive tow lines are pulling 
them further to the right.
I would like to relay how this actually plays a negative role in holding back 
the push for a workers party in the USA. A few (maybe not so few) years back 
one CP'er running for congress on the Peace & Freedom Party ticket came to see 
me for me to sign his petition to run in the congressional district I live in.  
Having participated in many petition drives to run socialist candidates before 
I was willing but that was not the issue.  What was germane to this discussion 
is that he explained that he was running in my district and not the one he 
lived in because  where he lived the "progressive" Democratic Congresswoman 
Barbara Lee was the candidate and so the PFP had decided not to run against her 
but to run in a "safe" district, mine just 3 miles to the north.
Well you don't need advanced logic to see how this operation is a sham and is 
not aiming at challenging the capitalist class hold on power.  The  
"progressive" Democrats  are maintain the illusions that the imperialist 
Democrats can be reformed and the CP and a host of reformists help them to do 
it.   Their intention is not to win the vanguard of the working class and in 
particular the Black Oakland community (where the ILWU is strong) to initiate 
what long time CP leader Gus Hall famously promised, the coming of the Mass 
Breakaway!  Nor  what the DSA more recently  debated as the HardBreak vs the 
soft-break  No this CP/PFP candidate just wanted a place to play in the shadow 
of the popular front and not ruffle any feathers. Best to "Keep Hope Alive" by 
not challenging Barbara Lee. 
This is the strategy of the "Safe State" votes pushed by many Greenies, Westies 
 and others.  
So why would Debs, Lenin and Trotsky say its unprincipled to vote for the 
Democrats seeing there are no "realistic" alternatives and considering the bulk 
of the labor leadership is hitched to the Democratic Party even while the 
Teamsters play footsie with the Republicans?  The answer is because 
revolutionary Marxists start from what is objectively necessary (we say what 
is) not from the backward consciousness of the working class. That is what 
gives us the authority to declare that  only the workers government created 
through class struggle means and defended by workers militia  can meet our 
classes most basic needs in the epoch of capitalist decay. 
 When the socialist leaders play to the backwardness of the working class they 
are not socialist leaders the become opportunists tail-ending the reformists 
and outright capitalist trade union leaders who keep our unions from becoming 
schools class struggle and socialist revolution by maintaining them as tools of 
class collaboration and social imperialism.   
Of c


"The working class and the employing class have nothing in common." IWW 
founding congress opening statement 

    On Tuesday, September 3, 2024 at 01:39:32 PM PDT, Marv Gandall 
<[email protected]> wrote:  
 
 My quadrennial election cycle questions for my American friends: 1. The issue 
of whether to support the Democrats only matters in a handful of swing states 
does it not?  2. Isn't there a danger that if a third party takes just enough 
swing state votes from the Democrats allowing Trump to win, that the Democratic 
base, rightly or worngly, will turn on those third parties and their Marxist 
supporters with a vengeance - as happened in Bush vs Gore in 2000? 3. What do 
these third parties stand to gain from being spoilers?   4. In the absence of a 
revolutionary socialist alternative, is support for a bourgeois party backed by 
the unions against an anti-union bourgeois party unprincipled?   


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