Mark, under which circumstances do you raise the slogan for the
overthrow of the Castroite regime? Did you ever raise this slogan in the
past half a century?
Of course, only the working class in a given country can implement such
a slogan. What does this mean? That only Americans can talk about the
tasks of the American working class? Only Cubans about the tasks of the
Cuban working class, etc.? This is the logic of nationalism, not
internationalism! Honestly, I have the impression that it is decades ago
that you have been a member of an international organisation.
I think you are not familiar with the political program of Trotsky
concerning the Stalinist bureaucracy. In his Transitional Program
(1938), Trotsky wrote, among others, that "the chief political task in
the USSR still remains the /overthrow of this same Therrnidorian
bureaucracy/."
Am 20.05.2026 um 19:46 schrieb Mark Baugher:
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On May 20, 2026, at 02:08, RKOB via groups.io
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Marxists differentiate. In a war situation, where a semi-colonial
or deformed workers state is under attack by imperialist enemies,
we subordinate the slogan for overthrow of the government to that
of the defence of the country. This is currently the case in Iran
and would be the case in Cuba if the U.S. attacks it.
The US has blockaded Cuba and the country is practically out of fuel.
This is an act of war. They have been attacked.
Outside of a war situation, we do not subordinate the slogan to
replace the government. Of course, we oppose sanctions - against
Cuba as well as against Iran. But we do not subordinate the the
struggle against the regime.
Is the struggle limited to slogans? If so, it's not a slogan that we
can use in the US because that slogan is the policy of Trump and Marco
Rubio. The only working classes that can "implement" the slogan are in
Cuba and Venezuela.
Otherwise, Marxists could never have called for the overthrow of
the Stalinist regimes in all the decades of the Cold War between
Western imperialism and the Stalinist states! That would have been
the policy of mega-Pabloism!
I answered this by pointing to an example
(https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/41745) of a Trotskyist group led
by people who had led the Teamsters organizing drive for long-haul
truckers; they led the Minneapolis General Strike; they formed the US
Communist Party; they were activists in the IWW and the left-wing of
US Socialist Party before WWI. Trotsky personally helped to shaped
their party after he arrive in Coyoacán. And they didn't use slogans
against the Soviet bureaucracy but detailed explanations to persuade
workers in the US and the USSR. I think you should be more like them
on this question.
Mark
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