donot worry, already it is ended matter On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 8:58 PM, Kolaronline Klr <[email protected]> wrote:
> science paper ge ee bari grace marks kodalebeku antha ella science > teachers kelbeku enanthira > > On 8 April 2016 at 20:40, Gurumurthy K <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Subramani sir >> >> thank you for your reply. It is exactly connected to what I was saying. >> >> I agree that there are many pressures on teachers to take the 'short cut' >> of drill/pass package instead of the 'more difficult' path of conceptual >> understanding - the quantum of syllabus is too much, the education >> system/department does not encourage conceptual learning but puts pressure >> on exam results, teachers knowledge of pedagogies and concepts may also >> need to be improved but teacher training programs are not effective. and >> teacher educators themselves may not know better. >> >> However, having said the above, I feel strongly that teachers must take >> the path of teaching their students conceptual understanding and abandon >> the drill/pass package method/route which only fails the children.... this >> is not just my opinion, this is the spirit of NCF 2005, so it is national >> policy as well. >> >> Children are in school to learn, develop conceptual understanding which >> is necessary for application in real life. >> >> In my opinion, learning is not equal to drill / pass packages. I am >> making a statement that will not be liked by some, but drill and pass >> packages only end up cheating the children. Also drill methods make >> students dislike the subject. Whereas if students learn science through the >> right approaches (learning science by doing, exploring science curiously, >> building models to understand nature, developing a scientific temper etc >> ....). 'Good' Indian students are well known for their ability to parrot >> out content but with very poor ability to apply it in real life situations. >> what use is that bookish knowledge. >> >> And I say this with the knowledge that there are many teachers in our >> Karnataka GHS, who are trying the path of conceptual learning and >> succeeding as well. Their experiences and learnings can guide us well. Let >> us give up the pass package approach... this I am saying not only for >> science but for all subjects. I request teachers like Shashi Kumar sir, >> Mohan sir, Radha Madam, Gulzar madam (and hundreds of other such teachers >> who are members of this group) who have been adopting different approaches >> to help students really develop conceptual understanding of science, to >> share their experiences and methods, which can help all teachers. >> >> Once again, Subramani sir, thanks for frankly sharing your views, so that >> we can debate and discuss the issue fully and understand one another. >> >> regards, >> Guru >> >> >> IT for Change, Bengaluru >> www.ITforChange.net >> >> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Subramani V <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> @gurumurthy sir. Even I didn't see d paper. M y students discussed >>> questions wit me. I came to a conclusion that they are beyond d level a >>> 10th grade students. No its our turn to think >>> 1)hav v taught d concepts to that level. >>> 2)is d time provided enough to us to teach Dat much deep about d >>> concept. >>> 3)can d rural below average students can think such deep into d concept. >>> 4)we have given passpackages for drill. Was Dat came helpful to den. >>> 5)below average students complained Dat no questions came from d pass >>> packages wat v hav given for drill. >>> On Apr 8, 2016 4:58 PM, "chiranjeevi khethavath" < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear sir not only this year. every year science question paper was not >>>> difficult to our teachers.compare to other subject QP,sc QP is little bit >>>> difficult to rural Kannada medium students, they took passmark but cont >>>> get more marks >>>> On Apr 8, 2016 2:04 PM, "Gurumurthy K" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> dear Sunil sir >>>>> >>>>> in my opinion, it is not useful to have a vote on this issue - that >>>>> will only tell us how many people agree/disagree (summative information) >>>>> >>>>> what will be more useful for all teachers is if we can analyse why we >>>>> feel it was difficult, i can suggest some points for the discussion >>>>> >>>>> 1. was the question paper having questions on topics not part of the >>>>> syllabus >>>>> 2. was the question forcing students to think and apply what they >>>>> learnt ... and not focusing on producing information from rote memory >>>>> 3. was the level of Kannada language difficult to understand. >>>>> >>>>> i have not seen the science paper. But my doubt is as follows - >>>>> if the question paper is not encouraging students to write from rote >>>>> memory but forcing them to think and apply what they have learnt in >>>>> answering, I think it may be difficult but it is good. Here the question >>>>> is >>>>> as teachers, are we making students memorise content, or are we helping >>>>> them understand concepts which they can apply as per the question in the >>>>> exam. as per the national curricular framework 2005 science position >>>>> paper, >>>>> one of the problems in science teaching is that we teach facts to be >>>>> memorised by students. whereas the facts (content) is to be used for >>>>> helping conceptual understanding. for eg. while teaching periodic table, >>>>> it >>>>> can be simply taught as a table to be memorised. where student needs to >>>>> memorise (by heart) the atomic number of 100+ elements and see how they >>>>> can >>>>> be placed in the table. or it can be learn by exploring 'how is matter >>>>> around us structured? what is the concept of an element? are there a >>>>> finite >>>>> number of elements? what does an element signify - physically, chemically? >>>>> how did scientists try to address these questions, what answers did they >>>>> give? here science becomes a method to understand nature, build models. >>>>> not >>>>> as a set of boring facts ... the question papers also should gradually >>>>> move >>>>> from content / memory testing to testing conceptual understanding. (this >>>>> applies to all subjects, not only science). >>>>> >>>>> again, as I said, I have not seen the question paper, so this is only >>>>> an opinion. I will be interested to hear your responses to my thoughts and >>>>> also your own understanding of why the paper is being seen as difficult by >>>>> many teachers. perhaps such a qualitative discussion (on the reasons etc) >>>>> can help us understand how we can become better science teachers next >>>>> year... >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> Guru, IT for Change >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> IT for Change, Bengaluru >>>>> www.ITforChange.net >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 6:09 PM, sunilsringeri revanker < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> LETS HV VOTE >>>>>> On Apr 5, 2016 1:50 PM, "shashikumarcrkumar" < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> 1. 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