Now this is what I would call unexpected... and puzzling! On Friday, October 26, 2012 9:44:06 PM UTC-4, James Hondo wrote: > > No; it was this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayan_dms But WOW! The > page you mentioned was created by none other than Samuel Jabob > Klein<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Jacob_Klein>! > This is a great validation of the Mayan software as Samuel is an elected > member of the Wikipedia board of trustees and a Wikipedia steward (a super > admin), so him creating the article for Mayan is a BIG THING! Wikipedia is > a collective of a big number of individuals; some a bit misguided as the > one mentioned here, but with many others like Samuel. So read his > Wikipedia bio (here <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sj>), I hope his > actions has restored even a little bit of faith in the community of people > working behind Wikipedia. > > James > > On Friday, October 26, 2012 11:47:57 AM UTC-4, Nate Aune wrote: >> >> James - is this the article that you created? >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayan_(software) >> >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 7:31 PM, James Hondo <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for replying and explaining the reasoning behind your decision. >>> I hope you reconsider or implement something similar, it would be a shame >>> to lose our existing structure and start from scratch. >>> >>> I was completely unaware of this, all I can say is that I am >>> speechless... The article I wanted to update has been deleted anyway. >>> Someone else is trying to create a new one; >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Mayan_EDMS >>> But >>> it has been declined twice. I apologize, I didn't knew about any of this. >>> >>> ---- >>> James >>> >>> On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:31:14 PM UTC-4, Roberto Rosario wrote: >>>> >>>> No, the directory structure would not be 'cloned'. I added this to the >>>> TO DO list for future versions, but I'm a little hesitant to add it, >>>> because it would just be duplicating the inefficient paradigm of >>>> filesystem >>>> directory trees only on a web interface. This is the reason I created the >>>> automatic indexing where Mayan creates a hierarchical structure based on >>>> user defined rules to help users avoid being slaves of a manually updated >>>> structure as other DMS software do. Is a little work at the beginning >>>> while you create the rules, but then you don't have to ever worry again >>>> about documents being placed in the correct hierarchical unit. >>>> >>>> It is not an acusasion, is it a document fact: http://news.cnet.com/** >>>> 8301-1023_3-57514677-93/**corruption-in-wikiland-paid-** >>>> pr-scandal-erupts-at-**wikipedia/<http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57514677-93/corruption-in-wikiland-paid-pr-scandal-erupts-at-wikipedia/> >>>> It >>>> has long been suspected that this was happening, the episode in the link >>>> is >>>> the most documented and alarming as it was done by a very senior Wikipedia >>>> editor. The editor received payment to edit and favor the page of the >>>> government of Gibraltar so that it would be featured in Wikipedia's front >>>> page. An article is lucky to land on the front page, the page of the >>>> country of Gibraltar landed 17 times, boosting their SEO results sky high. >>>> What is most disgusting is how the editor involved and others argue that >>>> getting paid for favorably editing (or dumbing down a competitor's >>>> article) >>>> is not a conflict of interest! >>>> >>>> With this information in mind, now read Mayan's previous wikipedia >>>> article discussion here: http://en.wikipedia.org/** >>>> wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_**deletion/Mayan_edms<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mayan_edms> >>>> >>>> It is extensive but you can clearly see how: 1) The article was tagged for >>>> deletion from the start even when articles are usually moved to an >>>> 'inactive' (userfied) mode where defenders can keep improving it at >>>> resubmit it for evaluation again, 2) The criteria for deletion was >>>> produced >>>> out of thin air, 3) The existing articles for commercial DMS software >>>> would >>>> fail that same criteria, 4) The editors were not following Wikipedia's >>>> code >>>> of conduct (accussing new users of being SPA's) , 5) Confused the issue on >>>> purpose, mixing defense of the article with >>>> WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS> >>>> to >>>> invalidate defense, 6) Editors had no idea what a DMS software is and >>>> confused it with CMS software; and tell me that it is hard to deny how the >>>> editors appeared to be personally motivated beyond their duties as editors >>>> to erradicate Mayan article from Wikipedia. >>>> >>>> I'm not trying to be controversial, just answering your argument and >>>> explaining my desires for not wanting/caring about a Mayan EDMS article on >>>> Wikipedia. >>>> >>>> --Roberto >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 1:44:13 PM UTC-4, James Hondo wrote: >>>>> >>>>> We are a small accounting firm and have a Windows server working as >>>>> fileserver with all of our clients' documents sorted by year, month, >>>>> activities and such. My question is; Can I import not only the >>>>> documents, >>>>> but also their existing directory structure? >>>>> >>>>> Wow I don't always agree with the veteran editor's decision but >>>>> calling them corrupt is a very heavy handed and strong worded accusation. >>>>> Still I think Mayan is a great piece of software with a great community >>>>> and worthy of an article in Wikipedia, just something to consider. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:35:11 AM UTC-4, Roberto Rosario wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi James, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks I apreciate your comments :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Check this thread to see if this is more or less what your are >>>>>> interested in: https://groups.google.com/**forum/?fromgroups=&pli=1#! >>>>>> **topic/mayan-edms/M_S5ZSVV5U4%**5B1-25%5D<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=&pli=1#!topic/mayan-edms/M_S5ZSVV5U4%5B1-25%5D> >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as I know there are no Mayan EDMS articles on Wikipedia, there >>>>>> was one try once and the article got deleted by the most ridiculous of >>>>>> excuses, it became clear that the editors evaluating the article were >>>>>> seriously biased against Mayan for what I can only think were monetary >>>>>> reasons. Wikipedia as an idea is great, but the project has fallen from >>>>>> grace, there are very serious moderation and vandalism issues that are >>>>>> as >>>>>> old as the project and that they have not been able to address. I don't >>>>>> have any interest for an article about Mayan on Wikipedia. Sorry if >>>>>> that >>>>>> sounds bit harsh since you are just offering to help, I just want to >>>>>> save >>>>>> you the time and effort of building and defending a great article only >>>>>> to >>>>>> have corrupt editors delete it once you comply with the self serving >>>>>> objections they will produce. I wholeheartedly thank you for your >>>>>> interest, but it is not worth your time. >>>>>> >>>>>> --Roberto >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, October 22, 2012 9:55:58 PM UTC-4, James Hondo wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, thanks a lot for releasing your software, it is great! I >>>>>>> have been looking for something like it for a long time, it does >>>>>>> everything >>>>>>> I needed and then more. One thing I couldn't found on >>>>>>> the documentation; can it automatically mirror the structure of the >>>>>>> document directories when doing an initial import? Also I noticed the >>>>>>> Wikipedia article is missing a great deal of stuff, I've worked on a >>>>>>> few >>>>>>> articles myself and would gladly help polish Mayan's article if you >>>>>>> like. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> James >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> [email protected] >> +1 (617) 517-4953 >> http://twitter.com/natea | http://linkedin.com/in/natea >> >>
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