We might be able to share stats (YouTube, iTunesU, etc) in a survey; look
forward to reading about it, regardless!


David Hart
Associate Media Producer
Digital Media Department
The Museum of Modern Art
11 West 53 Street
(212) 408-6473
david_hart at moma.org
www.moma.org 


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>    3. New Report: "Beyond the Silos of the LAMs: Collaboration
>       Among Libraries, Archives and Museums" (Waibel,Guenter)
>    4. Re: Bar-codes / RFID / Both? (Smutko, Paul, DCA)
>    5. Re: Web vs. 'real world' visitors (Montgomery, Renee)
>    6. Re: Bar-codes / RFID / Both? (Tim Atherton)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:28:54 -0400
> From: "Champagne, Joanna" <J-Champagne at NGA.GOV>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Web vs. 'real world' visitors
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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> Hello,
> 
> This past fiscal year we had just over 4 million physical visitors (like the
> Web some may be repeat, but not as many as the online) to the National
> Gallery and 20,800,523 visits to the Web site.
> 
> 50.8% of our 62 Podcasts were downloaded to iTunes this past FY year the
> rest from our site and widget.
> 
> We have 559 installs of our Podcast widget.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Best,
> Joanna
> 
> 
> .................
> Joanna Champagne
> Chief of Web and New Media Initiatives
> National Gallery of Art
> NGA.GOV 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/29/08 1:48 PM, "Perian Sully" <psully at magnes.org> wrote:
> 
>> Dear Nancy:
>> 
>> Have you seen the IMLS Interconnections report?
>> http://www.interconnectionsreport.org/
>> 
>> Lots of hard data about some of the questions you're asking. The
>> slideshow provides a nice summary as well on the report.
>> 
>> Perian Sully
>> Collections Information and Web Programs Manager
>> Judah L. Magnes Museum
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
>> Nancy Proctor
>> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 10:33 AM
>> To: mcn-l at mcn.edu
>> Subject: [MCN-L] Web vs. 'real world' visitors
>> 
>> Does anyone have any hard numbers on overall museum trends in numbers of
>> online visitors versus footfall in the bricks & mortar museums? My
>> anecdotal
>> sense from talking to various museum professionals is that online
>> traffic is
>> 3-10 times the in-person visitorship, but I'd like to be able to cite an
>> actual study.
>> 
>> It would also be great to know what percentage of museums' online
>> traffic is
>> to content that is not resident on their websites, e.g. Podcasts on
>> iTunes/iTunes U, and videos on YouTube, if anyone has those stats for
>> your
>> own museum or others'....
>> 
>> ...And the next step is to show what great return on investment our
>> digital
>> initiatives provide, since we reach many more people online than in
>> person,
>> and buildings are relatively expensive to maintain. This is not to
>> challenge
>> the primacy and importance of the real world buildings and collections,
>> but
>> simply to underscore how much reach digital teams can achieve for
>> comparatively little money.
>> 
>> Many thanks!
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Nancy Proctor
>> Head of New Media Initiatives
>> 
>> Smithsonian American Art Museum (SAAM)
>> MRC 970 PO Box 37012
>> Washington DC 20013-7012
>> USA 
>> 
>> o: +1-202-633-8439
>> f: +1-202-633-8455
>> c: +1-301-642-6257
>> 
>> proctorn at si.edu
>> 
>> http://www.americanart.si.edu
>> http://eyelevel.si.edu/
>> 
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:37:46 -0500
> From: "John Bedard" <jbedard at artsmia.org>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Bar-codes / RFID / Both?
> To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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> We looked at this a few months ago and concluded that for us bar code was a
> better choice do to cost and how we planned to use it.  However, we have not
> moved to implement yet.
>  
> John
>  
>  
>  
> John R. Bedard
> Director of Information Projects and Services
> The Minneapolis Institute of Arts
> 2400 Third Avenue South
> Minneapolis, MN 55404
> Phone: 612-870-3268
> Fax: 612-870-3004
> Email: JBedard at artsmia.org
> www.artsmia.org 
> www.artsconnected.org
> 
>>>> "Cathryn Goodwin" <cathryng at Princeton.EDU> 9/29/2008 12:32 PM >>>
> Is your museum using RFID?  Princeton University Art Museum is
> researching the pros/cons of barcoding and RFID for inventory
> management. Is RFID ready for use in location management? Are some
> museums using it for other purposes (security/ visitor interaction? )
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Cathryn Goodwin
> 
> Cathryn L. Goodwin
> Princeton University Art Museum
> Princeton, NJ  08540
> 609.258.9374
> cathryng at princeton.edu
> President, MCN
> www.mcn.edu 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:45:18 -0400
> From: "Waibel,Guenter" <waibelg at oclc.org>
> Subject: [MCN-L] New Report: "Beyond the Silos of the LAMs:
> Collaboration Among Libraries, Archives and Museums"
> To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
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> I thought that this new report would be of interest to an MCN audience. The
> workshops which led to the findings of the report had ample museum
> participation - we conducted workshops at the Smithsonian and the Victoria &
> Albert, and the university workshops at Edinburgh, Princeton and Yale also had
> excellent representation from the campus museums.
> 
> If you'd like to learn what others are doing at the intersection of libraries,
> archives and museums, and how to build successful collaborations, this report
> is for you!
> 
> http://www.oclc.org/programs/publications/reports/2008-05.pdf
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> G?nter 
> 
> ***Excuse Cross-Posting***
> 
> Dear Colleagues,
> 
> I'd like to alert you that our latest publication, a report on library,
> archive and museum collaboration by our contractor, Diane Zorich, and Program
> Officers G?nter Waibel and Ricky Erway, "Beyond the Silos of the LAMs:
> Collaboration Among Libraries, Archives and Museums," (.pdf: 334K/59pp) is now
> available on the RLG Programs Web site at
> http://www.oclc.org/programs/publications/reports/2008-05.pdf.
> 
> The report highlights lessons learned from five LAM workshops held at RLG
> Partner institutions in the US and the UK, and contains information about
> inspiring collaborative projects in campus environments. The bulk of the
> report, however, is dedicated to the catalysts which allow collaboration to
> thrive. These insights should be helpful to anyone who is trying to foster
> deeper working relationships.
> 
> Next year, you'll have the opportunity to hear from many of the workshop
> participants in person. The Committee on Archives, Libraries and Museums
> (CALM) has endorsed a series of panel presentations at ALA, SAA and AAM during
> 2009, which will give workshop participants from University of Edinburgh,
> Princeton University, the Smithsonian Institution, the Victoria and Albert
> Museum, and Yale University a platform to share the progress their
> institutions have made in aligning the efforts of their collecting units to
> provide a better experience for their respective audiences.
> 
> Questions or comments regarding this report can be directed to G?nter Waibel,
> Program Officer, at waibelg at oclc.org. Please also get in touch with G?nter 
> if
> you'd like to be added to our library, archive and museum collaboration
> mailing list.
> 
> Best regards,
> Melissa
> 
> Melissa Renspie
> Senior Communications Officer
> OCLC Programs and Research
> 6565 Kilgour Place
> Dublin, OH 43017-3395
> Phone: (614) 761-5231
> FAX: (614) 718-7585
> E-mail: melissa_renspie at oclc.org
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:59:44 -0600
> From: "Smutko, Paul, DCA" <paul.smutko at state.nm.us>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Bar-codes / RFID / Both?
> To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
> Message-ID: <F8F5BD7BB8DFF14AAD67D9476C922DF1077CC640 at CEXMB5.nmes.lcl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> We currently use barcodes and are researching RFID for inventory
> purposes.  RFID has the potential to speed up location inventory for us.
> We are experimenting with a high frequency scanner. We have tried
> attaching transponders to object ID tags that we tied to several
> objects.  And passed the scanner over the objects and the scanner was
> able to read every tag.  We have not yet field tested it yet, in other
> words, we need to order more transponders and actually test it on a
> shelf in a storage room, but it looks promising.  The only drawback may
> be that the scanner has to be too close 2" to the transponders to work
> in an actual storeroom setting.   With barcodes we have to pull the
> objects from the shelf in order to scan each barcode.  Just one of our
> store rooms contains 60,000 objects so that completing an inventory of
> that room even using barcodes is daunting.  We are in the process of
> completing a move of every object in that room to an off-site location
> and we found barcodes to be a very effective means of tracking objects
> through out the move process.  But RFID could prove to be much quicker.
> 
> Paul Smutko
> Senior Collections Manager
> Museum of International Folk Art
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
> Paul.smutko at state.nm.us
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
> Cathryn Goodwin
> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 11:33 AM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: [MCN-L] Bar-codes / RFID / Both?
> 
> Is your museum using RFID?  Princeton University Art Museum is
> researching the pros/cons of barcoding and RFID for inventory
> management. Is RFID ready for use in location management? Are some
> museums using it for other purposes (security/ visitor interaction? )
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Cathryn Goodwin
> 
> Cathryn L. Goodwin
> Princeton University Art Museum
> Princeton, NJ  08540
> 609.258.9374
> cathryng at princeton.edu
> President, MCN
> www.mcn.edu
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:13:34 -0700
> From: "Montgomery, Renee" <ReneeM at lacma.org>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Web vs. 'real world' visitors
> To: "Museum Computer Network Listserv" <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
> Message-ID: <831DFF518273CF47835B4CF4331D6D2F61A588 at saturn.lacma.org>
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> Is someone collating these facts and figures?  I know there are some
> older reports but is there a recent update?  Obviously is very helpful
> to have comparative stats to help build cases on the homefront.  Thank
> you.
> 
> Renee Montgomery
> Assistant Director
> Risk Management and Collection Information
> Los Angeles County Museum of Art
> T 323 857-6059
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf Of
> Champagne, Joanna
> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 12:29 PM
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Web vs. 'real world' visitors
> 
> Hello,
> 
> This past fiscal year we had just over 4 million physical visitors (like
> the
> Web some may be repeat, but not as many as the online) to the National
> Gallery and 20,800,523 visits to the Web site.
> 
> 50.8% of our 62 Podcasts were downloaded to iTunes this past FY year the
> rest from our site and widget.
> 
> We have 559 installs of our Podcast widget.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Best,
> Joanna
> 
> 
> .................
> Joanna Champagne
> Chief of Web and New Media Initiatives
> National Gallery of Art
> NGA.GOV 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/29/08 1:48 PM, "Perian Sully" <psully at magnes.org> wrote:
> 
>> Dear Nancy:
>> 
>> Have you seen the IMLS Interconnections report?
>> http://www.interconnectionsreport.org/
>> 
>> Lots of hard data about some of the questions you're asking. The
>> slideshow provides a nice summary as well on the report.
>> 
>> Perian Sully
>> Collections Information and Web Programs Manager
>> Judah L. Magnes Museum
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu [mailto:mcn-l-bounces at mcn.edu] On Behalf
> Of
>> Nancy Proctor
>> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 10:33 AM
>> To: mcn-l at mcn.edu
>> Subject: [MCN-L] Web vs. 'real world' visitors
>> 
>> Does anyone have any hard numbers on overall museum trends in numbers
> of
>> online visitors versus footfall in the bricks & mortar museums? My
>> anecdotal
>> sense from talking to various museum professionals is that online
>> traffic is
>> 3-10 times the in-person visitorship, but I'd like to be able to cite
> an
>> actual study.
>> 
>> It would also be great to know what percentage of museums' online
>> traffic is
>> to content that is not resident on their websites, e.g. Podcasts on
>> iTunes/iTunes U, and videos on YouTube, if anyone has those stats for
>> your
>> own museum or others'....
>> 
>> ...And the next step is to show what great return on investment our
>> digital
>> initiatives provide, since we reach many more people online than in
>> person,
>> and buildings are relatively expensive to maintain. This is not to
>> challenge
>> the primacy and importance of the real world buildings and
> collections,
>> but
>> simply to underscore how much reach digital teams can achieve for
>> comparatively little money.
>> 
>> Many thanks!
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Nancy Proctor
>> Head of New Media Initiatives
>> 
>> Smithsonian American Art Museum (SAAM)
>> MRC 970 PO Box 37012
>> Washington DC 20013-7012
>> USA 
>> 
>> o: +1-202-633-8439
>> f: +1-202-633-8455
>> c: +1-301-642-6257
>> 
>> proctorn at si.edu
>> 
>> http://www.americanart.si.edu
>> http://eyelevel.si.edu/
>> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:19:13 -0600
> From: Tim Atherton <tatherton at st-albert.net>
> Subject: Re: [MCN-L] Bar-codes / RFID / Both?
> To: Museum Computer Network Listserv <mcn-l at mcn.edu>
> Message-ID: <C507ADA1.4654%tatherton at st-albert.net>
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> 
> I haven't actually used RFID in an institutional setting, but did look into
> it all a while back (I had the advantage that my brother worked on the
> development RFID at TIRIS with Texas Instruments way back when, so I was
> able to get plenty of free, no strings consulting...).
> 
> Anyway, while there are a number of issues around the actual implementation
> of RFID depending on your circumstances, it's flexibility is one of the big
> plusses for the system.
> 
> There is the obvious improvement in inventory control - you don't have to
> pull every item of the shelf to check it. In addition, the information on
> the tag can be updated as circumstances/locations change etc. And general,
> once fully implemented, it tends to give very accurate inventories.
> 
> Information about the object - location, conservation issues, object history
> and notes etc can be stored on the tag, which can then be directly accessed
> by the staff wherever the object is. In larger locations, movement can also
> be logged by having gateway readers in different locations - so, if an item
> is moved from storage room to conservation lab, that is automatically
> logged. Quite a lot of other things can be developed around this aspect of
> RFID.
> 
> In addition, and building on this, there is it's use in displays/exhibits. A
> visitor with a hand held guide can access selected information about any
> object in a display as they come to it, directly from the object, as it
> reads that information from the tag.
> 
> You can also get feedback on visitor habits by tracking how and what they
> viewed in the museum.
> 
> Here are just a few of the things I came across then
> 
> http://www.it-director.com/business/content.php?cid=9838
> 
> 
> http://www.cio.com/article/8820/_Putting_the_RFID_in_Art
> 
> http://newmuseums.blogspot.com/2007/03/rfid-and-museums.html
> 
> 
> Unless you have a very large (spread out, possibly on different sites)
> collection, RFID might not be the most cost effective deal if you only look
> at it for collections inventory control. But if you consider it for broader
> use, taking advantage of its wider potential, it might well be worth it.
> 
> Tim a
> 
> 
> 


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