Boris Steipe wrote: > But that is exactly what I meant (sorry if I was oblique). In this > case the business is not based on selling the code. Therefore there > are no downsides to open-sourcing the code, and many tangible > advantages, not only altruism. > B. > Boris, my model is a SAAS model. I have quite high costs and customers pay for benefits, so for these cost. If the software is also Open Source a competor can arise, with my software, without hardly any cost, and so he can be cheaper then me. So he gets the profits, I get the cost. That won't take long.
I do not mind to have a competitor with my software. This is really not a easy thing to say. I have thought a long time about this. But there must be a barrier between my competitor and me. The competitor must earn enough money to stay alive. And keep me sharp. And I must earn enough money to pay my developers. And stay alive. > On 18-Jan-10, at 2:22 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > >> Boris Steipe wrote: >> >>> In my area of work (bioinformatics) I have not seen convincing >>> business models that were based on charging for code. Integration, >>> customization, consulting - yes, it needs a lot of expertise to get >>> that right and people are willing to pay for that expertise. >>> Contributing to the open-source pool advertises your organization's >>> capacity to understand real-world issues and address them in a viable >>> way. >>> $0.02 - B. >>> >>> >> Boris, I am not thinking about charging for code. There must be a >> barrier between Open Source and SAAS. But this barrier does not >> need to >> be charging money. >> >> For developers your argument is correct. I am not a developer. I am an >> architect who design the software and the developer programs it. The >> developer get paid for his work. It is my ownership, my (Open Source) >> copyright. >> >> On details I am not the best person to go to. If there is a bug the >> developer can solve it better. But for the big architecture I am >> the one >> who does the design. And if I am not there the work can continue for a >> few months and then its stuck. >> >> So as a business model this does not work for me. >> >> With regards Bernard >> >> >>> On 18-Jan-10, at 1:21 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Boris Steipe wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Also: in the information-based economy, an increasingly important >>>>> part of the revenue of your activities is "mind-share". No >>>>> better way >>>>> to demonstrate your expertise to the world than to contribute >>>>> something useful. >>>>> B. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Boris. Thanks. That is indeed a good argument. But then I must be >>>> able >>>> to show that my expertise is indeed my expertise. My company is >>>> Wikiation. The bundle extensions is named Wikibox Blue. The >>>> copyright is >>>> and should stay mine!. That is. It can be GPL or an other Open >>>> Source >>>> license what I chose. If I should loose that then I should loose >>>> everything. I lost exclusive ownership of the software and I >>>> loose to >>>> demonstrate my expertise. >>>> >>>> Regards, Bernard >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 18-Jan-10, at 11:46 AM, Robert Cummings wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Bernard, >>>>>> >>>>>> By open-sourcing your work the community gains from your work; >>>>>> however, >>>>>> this generally forms a positive reciprocity loop whereby the >>>>>> community >>>>>> will feed back into your contributions with their own >>>>>> enhancements, >>>>>> ideas, and bug fixes from which you will then benefit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Rob. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> We have build many extensions to improve the functionality of >>>>>>> MediaWiki. >>>>>>> It is for >>>>>>> Enterprise use as Knowledge management infrastructure. The >>>>>>> name of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> extensions and additional >>>>>>> functionality is Wikibox Blue. The software is propriety. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It can be hosted as SAAS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Today there has been a request if automatic signing of thread is >>>>>>> possible in the discussion page. >>>>>>> This is standard functionality in WikiForum. Which can be used >>>>>>> in the >>>>>>> talk namespace. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But it is propriety software. So it can not be used. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My question is here : Please convince me I have to make my >>>>>>> propriety >>>>>>> software open source. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With some conditions : >>>>>>> *I decide if I make Wikibox Blue Open source >>>>>>> *I decide when Wikibox Blue will be Open source >>>>>>> *I decide on which conditions Wikibox Blue will be open source. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you respect these conditions please try to convince me I >>>>>>> should do >>>>>>> it. 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