Bill - I think you are setting up a false dichotomy here. I will take command-line over GUI any day. All I'm asking for is that the tool does not become the job.
B. On Dec 7, 2015, at 4:25 PM, Bill Traynor <[email protected]> wrote: > Perhaps I'm confused, but it sounds to me like there are certain > classes of MediaWiki administrators out there. There's those who > would prefer a hands free experience, or at the very least a point and > click GUI-based administration experience and those that are would > prefer a more command-line based, power-user administrative > experience. Am I wrong? > > Personally, I fall in the latter group. I prefer to track MediaWiki > and all extensions from the command line using Git. I've never used > Composer up to this point and have had no problems. > > My only gripe about MediaWiki is that the development road map seems > to be directed foremost by the needs of Wikimedia in support of > Wikipedia. Of course, I can't really complain as it's FOSS and if I > was highly motivated, I could develop the things I really want. > Examples being somewhat "enterprisey", like better Oracle support, > finer grained and flexible content management, etc. etc. > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Francis Franck <[email protected]> > wrote: >> I'm afraid you've got a point there, Boris. Your not alone. >> >> Contrary to you, I 've (up to now) tried to keep everything up to date. I >> must now admit that the advantages of doing so are rapidly vanishing. Too >> often this ends in a time consuming trial and error, leading into fault >> messages and malfunction, hence a loss of confidence. I think I will change >> policies and keep things as they are until I notice a more coherent upgrade >> approach. >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Boris Steipe <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Just to counter that, you are overlooking a crucial point ... >>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Ray Paseur <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I believe that using the latest software is almost always a good idea. >>> We are going to upgrade eventually - why deny ourselves the benefits of the >>> latest software by putting off the upgrades? The only argument in favor of >>> delay would be a breaking change, and this is something that the authors of >>> the software must publicize. >>> >>> I hold off updates as long as at all possible, the reason being that over >>> the last years new versions of the software have almost never come with >>> tangible benefits to my core use. It is almost always just fixing >>> edge-cases we don't care about and better support for things we don't use. >>> Why? Because we have developed a workflow around the software as it existed >>> about three years ago and there is really no reason to change that. The >>> benefit of not using the latest is that we get to skip releases and frankly >>> every single release just takes way, way to long to install and verify and >>> fix across our multiple Wikis. Every release I can skip gives me half a day >>> of my life! >>> >>> The release cycles are too short. As far as I'm concerned, MediaWiki works >>> oK, if it would do just what it does; that would be nice, and aspiring to >>> anything else is just not what I'm interested in. The only reason why I'm >>> constantly on the lookout for alternatives to MW are the frequent >>> required/recommended updates. >>> >>> I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this. >>> >>> Now, if a new version would come out that would autoupdate and configure >>> itself and make sure it keeps on working with my (completely standard) >>> extensions, that would be nice. Too modern? >>> >>> >>> Boris >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MediaWiki-l mailing list >>> To unsubscribe, go to: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> MediaWiki-l mailing list >> To unsubscribe, go to: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > _______________________________________________ > MediaWiki-l mailing list > To unsubscribe, go to: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list To unsubscribe, go to: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
