On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 7:13 PM, Boris Steipe <[email protected]> wrote: > Bill - I think you are setting up a false dichotomy here.
I didn't mean to imply that those are there are only two types of MediaWiki users/administrators out there. That's definitely not true. > > I will take command-line over GUI any day. All I'm asking for is that the > tool does not become the job. FWIW, my "job" has actually evolved into almost full-time MediaWiki administration. Luckily, I enjoy it. > > > B. > > > > > On Dec 7, 2015, at 4:25 PM, Bill Traynor <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Perhaps I'm confused, but it sounds to me like there are certain >> classes of MediaWiki administrators out there. There's those who >> would prefer a hands free experience, or at the very least a point and >> click GUI-based administration experience and those that are would >> prefer a more command-line based, power-user administrative >> experience. Am I wrong? >> >> Personally, I fall in the latter group. I prefer to track MediaWiki >> and all extensions from the command line using Git. I've never used >> Composer up to this point and have had no problems. >> >> My only gripe about MediaWiki is that the development road map seems >> to be directed foremost by the needs of Wikimedia in support of >> Wikipedia. Of course, I can't really complain as it's FOSS and if I >> was highly motivated, I could develop the things I really want. >> Examples being somewhat "enterprisey", like better Oracle support, >> finer grained and flexible content management, etc. etc. >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Francis Franck <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> I'm afraid you've got a point there, Boris. Your not alone. >>> >>> Contrary to you, I 've (up to now) tried to keep everything up to date. I >>> must now admit that the advantages of doing so are rapidly vanishing. Too >>> often this ends in a time consuming trial and error, leading into fault >>> messages and malfunction, hence a loss of confidence. I think I will change >>> policies and keep things as they are until I notice a more coherent upgrade >>> approach. >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Boris Steipe <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Just to counter that, you are overlooking a crucial point ... >>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Ray Paseur <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I believe that using the latest software is almost always a good idea. >>>> We are going to upgrade eventually - why deny ourselves the benefits of the >>>> latest software by putting off the upgrades? The only argument in favor of >>>> delay would be a breaking change, and this is something that the authors of >>>> the software must publicize. >>>> >>>> I hold off updates as long as at all possible, the reason being that over >>>> the last years new versions of the software have almost never come with >>>> tangible benefits to my core use. It is almost always just fixing >>>> edge-cases we don't care about and better support for things we don't use. >>>> Why? Because we have developed a workflow around the software as it existed >>>> about three years ago and there is really no reason to change that. The >>>> benefit of not using the latest is that we get to skip releases and frankly >>>> every single release just takes way, way to long to install and verify and >>>> fix across our multiple Wikis. Every release I can skip gives me half a day >>>> of my life! >>>> >>>> The release cycles are too short. As far as I'm concerned, MediaWiki works >>>> oK, if it would do just what it does; that would be nice, and aspiring to >>>> anything else is just not what I'm interested in. The only reason why I'm >>>> constantly on the lookout for alternatives to MW are the frequent >>>> required/recommended updates. >>>> >>>> I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this. >>>> >>>> Now, if a new version would come out that would autoupdate and configure >>>> itself and make sure it keeps on working with my (completely standard) >>>> extensions, that would be nice. Too modern? >>>> >>>> >>>> Boris >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> MediaWiki-l mailing list >>>> To unsubscribe, go to: >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MediaWiki-l mailing list >>> To unsubscribe, go to: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MediaWiki-l mailing list >> To unsubscribe, go to: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > _______________________________________________ > MediaWiki-l mailing list > To unsubscribe, go to: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list To unsubscribe, go to: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
