...and a key part off making it work will be a bidirectional gateway (as Dirk says). If Reggie sticks the vBulletin plugin for it on gitorious, all us ML/travelling peeps will make it better to scratch our own itches (improve threading, quoting etc).
Cheers, Andrew On 03/06/2010, Andrew Flegg <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > Personally, I prefer mailing lists (which is why it galls me to be top > posting on this stupid BlackBerry), however the Internet's moved past > 1996 and fora, despite all their comparitive flaws, are the masses' > preferred means of group communication. > > However, trying to enforce a split between the ML for "official" stuff > and the fora for "end-user" stuff is bound to fail. I know, we've been > living with the consequences of a similar decision on maemo.org for > about 3 years. > > There are two fundamental flaws. > > 1) Political. We'll get vocal end users trolling (or, if you prefer, > validly expressing their discontent) that they "weren't informed" > about something or other. Now, we'll always get these types who want > to be spoonfed every piece of information. Even if you provide such a > mechanism, they will complain they couldn't find out how to subscribe > to meego-spoonfeed. > > 2) Future community. The term "end-user" is, frankly, wrong. No > end-user will ever visit meego.com, only enthusiasts, developers and > commercial entities (for various reasons). How many IPhone, or even > Android, users visit some community website on a regular basis? I'd > wager a very small percentage. But this segregation prevents someone > moving up from "enthusiast" to "app developer" to "platform > developer"; or from "enthusiast" to "community representative" (or > both ;-)). Communities are organic, saying "OK, so you want to be a > community organiser, come here" doesn't really work - they won't feel > part of *that* community. > > Let's pick one place and make it work. From the sounds of it, it > exists and it's called Deja^WGoogle Groups. > > Cheers, > > Andrew > > PS. Fora really don't scale without lots of custom tweaks. We're > getting closer with talk.maemo.org, but it's still not great (I want > to be able to mute threads so they never show up in my newposts or > newsub.php views) > > > > On 03/06/2010, Robin Burchell <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi Dawn, >> >> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Foster, Dawn M <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> A while back, we made the discussion to move the community office >>> discussions to the forum. After living with that decision for a month or >>> so, I'm starting to think that the discussions should be moved back to >>> meego-community. The community discussions have just been too >>> disconnected >>> from the developers (who love their mailing lists). Right now, the >>> developers form the base of the MeeGo community, and the reality is that >>> the mailing lists are the best way to keep the developers connected to >>> the >>> broader community efforts (MeeGo conference, etc.) >> >> From my perspective at least, I totally must have missed the memo >> about this announcement. I only figured it out when I realised that >> -community had been really quiet and went to have another look at the >> forums. For one reason or another I haven't gotten totally attached to >> them yet (though I still hope this will happen), and as a result, I >> haven't been participating in discussions there much. >> >> But I'm also atypical in that I don't absolutely hate forums. I know a >> number of developer types who do dislike them because they mostly >> don't scale in terms of trying to keep track of multiple topics across >> multiple projects. >> >>> What I don't want to have is official community office discussions >>> happening in both places, so I would like to pick one place for the >>> community discussions. I propose moving those discussions back to >>> meego-community. >> >> Definitely a sensible move. One or the other. And this time I'd >> suggest that if it *is* the forums, close the -community ML. Vice >> versa, if it *is* a mailing list, close the community forums. >> >>> The forums have been a great way for end users to get engaged with the >>> project and ask questions, and I think that we should keep the end user >>> discussions in the forum. This would give us a more clean split: >>> * Mailing lists: MeeGo project discussions, developer discussions, >>> community office, etc. >>> * Forums: End user questions, installation / troubleshooting, using >>> MeeGo, >>> etc. >> >> I'm OK either way for the most part. I really hold no strong opinions. >> Provided there are some people at the end of the day that cross into >> both mediums and are able to represent the concerns of the wider >> community (which will not be a problem with such a strong group of >> people as we have), then it will work at the end of the day, I think. >> >>> >>> Thoughts, issues, questions, flame wars? >>> >>> Dawn >> >> >> Robin Burchell >> mob: +447702671419 >> msn: [email protected] >> irc: w00t @ irc.freenode.net >> twr: http://twitter.com/w00teh >> lac: http://identi.ca/w00t >> _______________________________________________ >> MeeGo-dev mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev >> > > > -- > Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[email protected] | http://www.bleb.org/ > Maemo Community Council chair > -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:[email protected] | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council chair _______________________________________________ MeeGo-dev mailing list [email protected] http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev
