Sorry for the ignorance but what is MeeGo using at the moment? I've had a lot of issues with upstart on Ubuntu so if there an alternative which is even what's now in MeeGo locally developed, it could probably stick.
-Sivan On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Arjan van de Ven <[email protected]> wrote: > On 9/18/2010 8:46 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> >> Huh? I think nowadays upstart can be considered deprecated: >> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html >>> >>> just because someone is doing an experiment doesn't mean other things are >>> deprecated.... >> >> Ok, I thought that was obvious, but I guess time will tell. > > it's far from obvious... really. > > >>> systemd has design issues which have to be hashed out obviously (Fedora >>> is >>> punting on it for F14 for a reason) >>> upstart has license/contribution issues which are not pretty >> >> Fedora is putting it on F14 because F13 was practically out when >> systemd was announced. > > Fedora is NOT using systemd in 14 ..only in 15 maybe > > MeeGo currently has a highly customized boot process, optimized for speed. > At this point, if we were to switch, > upstart matches that closer than systemd does.... so upstart would be a more > logical change if we were to change. > > > >> If you want speed, you need a customized boot process in traditional > > yes I know a thing or two about boot speed.... so far MeeGo is one of the > fastest booting Linux OSes in the market > >> init systems (sysvinit, upstart), because everything gets started, so >> then you need to pick and choose what really gets started, and when. > > that's regurgitating systemd propaganda... but that does not make it true ;) >> >> But systemd turns the problem around; nothing gets started, unless >> it's really used, so there's less need to customize (if any). > > systemd turns it into a worst case problem unfortunately, because now you > hit the start latency ALL THE TIME. > this is what I meant with design issues; systemd's design isn't going to > give you a super fast boot. Now > maybe they'll fix it sometime in the future.... but today it makes systemd > entirely uninteresting for booting fast. > > yes it'll boot faster than the really really slow existing Fedora, but > that's not an interesting benchmark point. > the benchmark point should be the state of the art, not the worst of the > industry. > >>> It's ok to have multiple competing technologies; that's one of the ways >>> innovation happens in open source.. competition. >> >> Sure, but we are not using any, so I don't see why we should assume >> that upstart will be used. I think both approaches need to be >> carefully and equally considered. > > oh trust me we are looking at all options, very very carefully. That's why I > said that upstart currently is more likely than systemd, > but frankly, for 1.2 we might also just stick with what we have now.. it > works and is fast. > > > _______________________________________________ > MeeGo-dev mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev > _______________________________________________ MeeGo-dev mailing list [email protected] http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev
