1) looking on seek or similar at any particular point in time yields plenty of adverts that are so incredibly vague and/or obfuscated that I'm tempted believe many or even most are simply resuming farming honeypots. Furthermore, most details I'd like to find out about a company advertising a position (gauging for myself whether the position would be a good fit, location, and atmosphere saves everyone's time) are *precisely* those an agency filters out of their posting, I guess so I have no chance of discerning who they are advertising for. Making their ads recognizeably terrible.
2) recruiters who care about finding *good* matchups for potential employers and employees, and are intelligent / informed enough to do so, seem few and far between. 3) if you can devise something to filter only worthwhile cases for 1) and 2), you are a smarter man than me. On 7 Jul 2016 1:49 PM, "John Knight" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi! As an independent Tech Agent in Melbourne, I have helped many Python Devs land better gigs in both contract and permanent capacities. It is a shame to hear horror stories from people like you but the reality is that you don’t have to dig too deep to hear them! If an agency recruiter simply advertises online and filters responses then I can see how that adds little value. > > > > If the typical agency experience wasn’t so “hit and miss” then company bosses would love to outsource the headache of hiring. And, people at the “thinking stage” of changing jobs would happily benefit from the contacts and competencies of a discreet and resourceful Tech Agent. I’ve recently started a company from Melbourne, designed to combat the norm and solve the disconnect between conventional recruitment agencies, and well... everyone else. Check out www.saltworth.com.au > > > > In short, I think there will always be the big recruitment firms servicing large corporate blue chip accounts. In the fullness of time I see a change in the industry where the raft of medium-sized recruitment agencies will dwindle and more independent Tech Agents will emerge who actively manage and promote sought-after SW Engineers properly. After all, if you can open up custom opportunities for people and offer firms potential hires on an exclusive basis, then that’s got to be a service worth paying for – especially if the fees are around 10% or less. > > > > Best, John > > > > John Knight / Tech Agent & Founder > [email protected] > > M +61 402 234 813 > > > > Saltworth® Pty Ltd > P +61 3 9670 9056 > Atlantis Tower, Suite 3201/288 Spencer St.Melbourne. VIC 3000 > http://www.saltworth.com.au > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER: This email (including any attachment to it) is confidential and may also be privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Accordingly, if you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately and delete this email (including any attachment to it) from your computer system. We do not assure the security of information electronically transmitted and your communication with us through such means signifies your acceptance of any risk attaching thereto. Any statement contained herein is not to be construed as an offer to enter into any contractual obligation nor an acceptance of any offer. Thank you! > > > > > > > > From: melbourne-pug [mailto:melbourne-pug-bounces+john.knight= [email protected]] On Behalf Of Sebastian Pawlus > Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2016 7:13 PM > To: Melbourne Python Users Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [melbourne-pug] Any value in recruiters job posts? > > > > Much thanks you all for the input here. > > > > It looks like the pain with recruiters is shared across the glob on the similar level. I will make a test run and try to filter recruiters out and see how much is left of it. Maybe not all companies trusted them. > > > > Also after reading the input I should rephrase the question to "Would you apply for the job from recruiters add?" > > > > Also apologies for the latency to AU, I will try to fix that soon. > > > > Thanks again. > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:00 AM, Anthony Briggs <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Sebastian, >> >> >> >> My personal experience is that recruiters don't provide much, if any, value. >> >> >> >> The only job that I've sourced through a recruiter was a terrible, terrible PHP job that I quit after a week. I did have several interviews at around the same time, but a) you need to be head and shoulders above the competition for them to consider you, given recruiter's fees (~20% of the annual salary IIRC), and b) if you are head and shoulders above, then you'll be getting cold calls from various companies anyway and/or will be a relative shoe-in at most interviews. >> >> >> >> I've managed to get off most recruiter books after several years of working on my own stuff, but I used to get a raft of calls from them whenever a senior Python position came up. At one place I worked, it became a game to try and figure out the originating company given a particularly lazy cut+paste position from Seek or wherever. >> >> >> >> There may be some companies that work solely through a recruiter, but good luck filtering those out from the spam. >> >> >> >> Hope that helps, >> >> >> >> Anthony >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 6 July 2016 at 13:08, Kiran Busi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> If the job is is specific to a real role, not generic information farming, then I see it having some value. >>> >>> >>> >>> That said, I much prefer dealing with companies directly vs a recruiter. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:34 PM, Sebastian Pawluś < [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This might be odd question to ask here, since the list about Python and should probably stay as one. But living in Europe I don't know anyone from this part of the world and as Python programmer myself I know how Python community is a friendly entity ;) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Anyway, the real thing is. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> A while ago I created an aggregator for jobs (like all it jobs). It's called https://whoishiring.io, then short after a person on the twitter suggested that I should add www.seek.com.au as a source, and I did just that. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But then I've found out that a lot (a lot) of this jobs are from recruiters companies. I even created a blacklist and planning to filter against it and exclude those jobs from listing. I don't like them, the website was created to increase visibility of job posts, by covering real company name with theirs they secretly not helping, and the list of problems with it recruiters is longer. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The real question is should I do it. Should I filter recruiters out from this part of the world? Do you guys see any values in those jobs posts, are recruiters as bad and annoying as here? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Again if this not something that should go on the list, apologies. But still I would like to know the your opinion so private emails welcome. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Sebastian Pawluś. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> melbourne-pug mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> melbourne-pug mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> melbourne-pug mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > melbourne-pug mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pug >
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