i got a hollinger 2 gear set in my 240k box - it is absolutely the best
thing i have ever put in/on a datto.. i'm just not sure what the ratio's
are. this was a gearbox that Paul at advantage built for his own rally car -
it is a delight to use and will select any gear u want anytime u want it..
he did a lot of work on setting it up and the synchros are perfect
i change at 7000 and it comes back to about 4000 in every gear - mind u my
power starts at 3800 and goes to 7000 to 7500 and drives thru a 5.1 open
diff
same motor with the std box was very ordinary in comparison
i can't wait for the next hill climb
cheers
mick
----- Original Message -----
From: Errol Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: 240K 5-speed ?
> Russ,
> There were a lot of Holinger modified boxes around in the 80's and early
> 90's, but no where as many genuine Nissan close ratio (option) boxes, due
> to the high purchase price from Nissan. The 5 speed option boxes still
> bring $2500 - $3000 today, due to availability.
> The pricing and availability problems gave Peter Holinger a big start in
> his gear cutting business. He was making up gearsets to modify stock
boxes.
> The four speed close ratio boxes were the cheap alternative to a 5 speed
> option box but most close four speeds have gone to beer cans and razor
> blades now due to the ready availability of 5 speeds.
> Cheers
> Feral Errol
>
> ----------
> From: RUSSCB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: 240K 5-speed ?
> Date: Sunday, June 25, 2000 11:26
>
> Are these four speeds common at all? Would you know where I would be
> likely
> to find one of these? and lastly.....does anyone know what ratio these
are.
>
> I am also looking for a CR box as I used to have a TRD one in my corolla
> and
> it makes driving many times more fun, but I'm having trouble finding a
> Datsun or Nissan CR box of any description.
>
> Thanks all.
> Russ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Clough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 9:39 PM
> Subject: Re: 240K 5-speed ?
>
>
> > I agree.
> >
> > Once you have driven a CR box which only allows revs to drop around
> > 1000/1500 between gears, you get very pissed off with either screaming
in
> > the lower gear to be in the power band in the next gear, or waiting for
> > action till the revs climb back into the power band in the next gear.
> >
> > There is nothing better than driving a car with a highly modified engine
> > with a narrow power band, and always having a gear to use in the power
> band.
> > More 6 speed CR boxes please Mr Nissan.
> >
> > The drag boys wont agree, but I like a "tall" first that requires a fair
> bit
> > of clutch slip to get rolling, but takes you over 100 kay's in first
then
> > drops only 1500RPM to be on 4000 in second. Such a box was homologated
> for
> > the 1600SSS raced here in the early 70's, but its only a four speed.
> >
> > I admit I dont drive in the city much and such a box is pretty
> impractical
> > in daily driving. The MK1 Cooper S, and the M21 box in an LJ XU1 were
> both
> > reasonably close gear sets. Both cars are very good fun to play on the
> > gearstick with.
> >
> > Incidentally, just been reading a British Mag on Jap Imports. They test
> a
> > Skyline GTR (BCNR33) owned by the only Skyline importer in the UK. They
> > were amazed to find its fitted with a (non standard) 6 speed
sequential -
> > built in AUSTRALIA. (A Hollinger box, which is the only thing built
> capable
> > of taking the 700 plus HP of this car and has a modern fingertip flick
> > gearshift. The Poms were impressed.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brad HALLETT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, 23 June 2000 8:56 AM
> > Subject: Re: 240K 5-speed ?
> >
> >
> > > Strength is no worry as it is only a PRC motor (as wild as I can go
> though
> > > 12:1 comp at the moment, stroked to 1999cc etc) so it isnt a box
> breaker,
> > > but I need the ratios closer as rev range is all important. There is
> > > nothing so disappointing as getting out from a car with an Option One
> and
> > > getting into something with wide ratios.
> > >
> > > Brad HALLETT
> > > Ipswich, Qld
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Terry & Heather" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 11:22 PM
> > > Subject: RE: 240K 5-speed ?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Brad,
> > > >
> > > > If you're doing serious thrash work then I'd reckon the Supra box is
> > > > worthwhile trying although have you tried a R30 stumpy as they are
> > strong
> > > > but the ratios are not anywhere near as good as the Supra which is I
> > have
> > > > gathered is what you're mainly after. At $650 the price all up is
> pretty
> > > > good if it's in good condition. I have used a few of them (in Toys
> with
> > > 7MGE
> > > > and 18RGU) over time and they don't break easily. The only problem
> I've
> > > ever
> > > > had with them is the idler shaft bearings can be a bit dodgy and
> scream
> > in
> > > > the indirect gears (this is stating the obvious but someone might
not
> > know
> > > > the symptoms) when you shove high hp through them but they are a
dead
> > easy
> > > > box to repair with "A" quality bearings (must be cause I can even do
> it)
> > > > (:-. The synchros have never been a problem either, even with
> Japanese
> > > > sourced examples.
> > > >
> > > > I've still got a N3030 that still is working but linkage and
> selectors
> > are
> > > > getting a bit sloppy (hard to get 4th going around rh corners), they
> > were
> > > > prolly one of the stronger Nissan boxes but they are wide ratio so
> it's
> > > only
> > > > an average to good street box and that's when you get the correct
> diff
> > > > fitted. Keep us informed on your progress.
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > >
> > > > Terry
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brad
> HALLETT
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 22 June 2000 9:57 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: 240K 5-speed ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Not an essay at all Terry I appreciateyou advice.
> > > >
> > > > I have an Option one, although I converted it to Option None a while
> > > > back....
> > > >
> > > > Reckon I'll stick with the Supra conversion. I can get one for $650
> > fully
> > > > recon close ratio with a quickshift conversion
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Brad HALLETT
> > > > Ipswich, Qld
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Terry & Heather" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 8:37 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: 240K 5-speed ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Brad,
> > > > > Nissan still doesn't really make available to the general motorist
> > what
> > > > you
> > > > > would call a close ratio gearbox especially for a rwd application.
> If
> > > > > anything, the current late model cars have even wider ratios than
> they
> > > > > offered in the 70-80 era. I guess it's an economy vs performance
> > issue,
> > > > > lighter cars that are fwd and efi engines with very linear torque
> > > > > characteristics, eg look at the SR and GA engines in the Pulsars.
A
> > few
> > > > very
> > > > > early Z boxes could be classified as close ratio as such but these
> > were
> > > > the
> > > > > exception. Hence the offering of "option" boxes to the rev heads
> > created
> > > > > it's own market and it was very lucrative at the time.
> > > > >
> > > > > A good number of these so called option boxes were not as strong
or
> as
> > > > > reliable as the notorious Celica steel box which had a very good
> bunch
> > > of
> > > > > ratios for all sorts of competition, they are so good that there
> was
> > > many
> > > > a
> > > > > 308 V8 in front of them and they were around the $400 mark with a
> one
> > > off
> > > > > outlay for a dello bell housing. Mazda RX7 boxes were popular as
> well
> > > > > although imho not in the same league as the Toy box. I haven't got
> the
> > > > SR20t
> > > > > box ratios handy but if the FJ20t ZL71B box is anything to go by
> the
> > > > ratios
> > > > > in it are wider than the average L box eg 1st 3.6; 2nd 2.3; 3rd
> 1.4;
> > 4th
> > > > > 1.0; 5th 0.833.
> > > > >
> > > > > The problem with Nissan production boxes is the spacing between
2nd
> &
> > > 3rd
> > > > > which is typically around 37% and the spacing between 3rd & 4th is
> > > > typically
> > > > > 24% Even in the close ratio N3130 L series box the 3rd and 4th
> ratios
> > > are
> > > > > the same as the wide ratio N3030 box but in the N3130 the 2nd to
> 3rd
> > > > > reduction is only 31% as 1st gear is fairly steep at 2.906.
> > > > >
> > > > > Compare this to the FJ20 Turbo box the spacing is 1-2 36%, 2-3
39%,
> > 3-4
> > > > 29%
> > > > > and 4-5 17%. This box with it's fairly low 1st & 2nd ratios leads
> to
> > the
> > > > > extensive discussion recently as to which diff ratio is best to
use
> in
> > > > your
> > > > > FJt/510 as the sweet L ratio of 3.9 seems to be a little on the
low
> > side
> > > > on
> > > > > the road in the peaky powered FJt. Anyhow this has turned into an
> > essay
> > > so
> > > > > I'll leave it at that.
> > > > >
> > > > > regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Terry
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brad
> HALLETT
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 21 June 2000 9:46 PM
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: Re: 240K 5-speed ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > silly question time Terry,
> > > > > Is there a late model Nissan box with reasonable close ratios. I
> am
> > > > looking
> > > > > at fitting a Supra box to a 1600 rally/club car as they have
> > reasonable
> > > > > ratios and good strength but would obviously prefer something that
> > would
> > > > > bolt straight up
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Brad HALLETT
> > > > > Ipswich, Qld
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Terry & Heather" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 8:46 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: 240K 5-speed ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Chris,
> > > > > > Good 240K boxes are a bit scarce around these parts now, if you
> > > consider
> > > > a
> > > > > > one Canberra owner R30 Skyline Stumpy box with low klm's could
be
> > what
> > > > > > you're after for $250 get in touch.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Terry
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris
> > Halpin
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 22 June 2000 7:39 AM
> > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Subject: 240K 5-speed ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was just wondering whether anyone has a decent 5-speed 240K
box
> > for
> > > > > sale -
> > > > > > i'm just about to change engines, and I guess I may aswell
change
> > the
> > > > > trans
> > > > > > also, although my four speed has served me well - it feels like
> it's
> > > > well
> > > > > on
> > > > > > the way out , and has never had any power behind it. if so, in
> the
> > > > > > melbourne area - please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks
> > > > > > chris
> > > > > >
> > >
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