Bugger
I can get a range of pads for the rear but difficult to source.
No probs, might fit 2 pot willwoods they are cheap enough
Thanks Terry
Brad
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry & Heather" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 11:03 PM
Subject: RE: Nismo inserts
> Brad,
>
> Unfortunately no. ):-
> It applies only to the Australian production R31 Pintara/Skyline with PBR
> calliper.
>
> You should be able to get paged or other good brands for the Sumitomo's
> (sp?) on the rear of the Japanese model.
>
> terry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brad HALLETT
> Sent: Tuesday, 1 August 2000 10:35 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Nismo inserts
>
>
> Terry
> Do you know if this applies to the R31 4ws rear end with vented 300mm
> rotors? If so you have made my night.
>
> Thanks
> Brad
>
> ginal Message -----
> From: "Terry & Heather" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 10:08 PM
> Subject: RE: Nismo inserts
>
>
> > Chris,
> >
> > Latish model dunnydore rear pads are identical to the R31 except the two
> > small lugs on the back of the inner pads that stop the piston from
turning
> > when the handbrake is applied are missing which is very easily fixed -
> > Ultimate pads on the rear of your Datto.
> >
> > The dunny uses a different setup for the handbrake, maybe little shoes
> > inside the rotor?
> >
> > terry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of CP
> > Sent: Tuesday, 1 August 2000 8:43 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Nismo inserts
> >
> >
> > you can use crummy pads in r31 rears...tell me more...
> >
> > Also on the subject...How did people go about removing the nut from the
> rear
> > arm axel...I eventually got mine off but were wondering what other
people
> > did as these things are so F#$#ing tight...
> >
> > About to modifiy brackets to fit so I'll see how I go.....Think I'll
> replace
> > the bearings as well...they look fairly worn...
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Pete & Kath Liebig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 8:15 PM
> > Subject: RE: Nismo inserts
> >
> >
> > > Terry,
> > >
> > > I never really looked into the seals deal in any depth. You may want
to
> > > check around first before giving up... Sometimes people will tell you
> > stuff
> > > isn't available, but if you ask around you can get it - like being
able
> to
> > > use the Commodore pads in the R31 rear calipers - enabling yours truly
> to
> > > run his favourite Bendix pads front and back!
> > >
> > > 'later
> > > PL
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Terry &
> Heather
> > > Sent: Monday, 31 July 2000 21:39
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: Nismo inserts
> > >
> > > Errol & Pete,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the info. I spose if you can't get seals for them then that
> > kills
> > > any idea of migrating them to a big axle 180B strut. I had this crazy
> idea
> > I
> > > could build up a set of Magna ventilated struts with them but if I
can't
> > get
> > > the seals then I'm stuffed on that front. I don't know what grade of
oil
> > was
> > > originally put in these by Ray Gulson but you wouldn't want it any
> > stiffer.
> > > I'm gunna give myself a hernia trying to get them extended again.
> > >
> > > terry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Pete & Kath
> > > Liebig
> > > Sent: Monday, 31 July 2000 7:09 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: Nismo inserts
> > >
> > >
> > > Guys,
> > >
> > > I used to have some of these on my 180B. I used to do exactly what the
> > feral
> > > one said - plenty of different weight oils around for bike forks, so
you
> > > effectively have very cheap front suspension with adjustable damping.
> They
> > > used to work REALLY WELL - I wish they still used them, but I seem to
> > > remember something about not being able to get seals for them????
> > >
> > > 'later
> > > PL
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Errol Smith
> > > Sent: Monday, 31 July 2000 7:01
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: Nismo inserts
> > >
> > > Terry,
> > > I think the 11" wet leg inserts will fit the 10.5" struts as there is
> > > normally plenty of clearance in the base of the leg. The good thing
with
> > > wet legs is there is normally double the quantity of fluid available
to
> > > prevent loss of damping effort. Also you get to play with differing
> > > viscosity fluid to match the damping to your setup using Belray or
other
> > > bike fork oils.
> > > Cheers
> > > Feral Errol
> > > ----------
> > > From: Terry & Heather <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Nismo inserts
> > > Date: Sunday, July 30, 2000 10:50
> > >
> > > Errol,
> > > I still have a set of 11" (long) 510 struts with the wet type inserts.
I
> > > re-used the euro springs with my current 200B struts but I've kept the
> > > struts in the shed but no one wants 11" struts these days. I was
> wondering
> > > if you know whether the wet inserts are transferable to a shorter
strut
> or
> > > are they size dependant. I've had these on the street for 20 years or
so
> > > and
> > > they still out perform the average Munro GT gas type strut and they
are
> > > megga stiff.
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > > Terry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Errol Smith
> > > Sent: Sunday, 30 July 2000 4:55 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: live axle mods
> > >
> > >
> > > Nick, I am still looking at the conversion options for the rear axle.
I
> > > think Heaths housing cut down is looking good for price. The nismo
> inserts
> > > are oil only, not gas and are adjustable at the top of the shaft
centre
> > > with a small screwdriver
> > > Cheers
> > > Feral Errol.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > From: abrahamk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: live axle mods
> > > Date: Saturday, July 29, 2000 8:37
> > >
> > > Errol et al.,
> > > I asked a diff workshop about the Commodore diff centre swap;
> > > They said that they hadn't done this particular conversion and that
> > > 1.the Commodore axles had 23 splines.
> > > 2.The commodore diff would not fit into the Datsun housing.
> > > 3.The Stanza axle is weak to start with so it would be better to get a
> S3
> > > TRX Bluebird conversion, for example.
> > >
> > > What is involved in the Commodore axle conversion that you mentioned,
> > > wouldn't you have to get Datsun-pattern (4 bolt) axle-flanges made
up?,
> > i.e
> > > effectively new axles.
> > >
> > > Looks like the Salisbury axle and 720 LS centre is the 'easiest' way
to
> go
> > > limited slip, followed next by locating a H190 Stanza casing and doing
a
> > S3
> > > TRX centre swap (assuming the splines are the same), and finally by
> doing
> > a
> > > complete rear axle conver$ion.
> > >
> > > The works axle that you have looks a beauty, with the 4 pot callipers
> you
> > > could stop quicker going backwards than you could going forwards!
> > > One thing that I saw on your site that struck me was the adjustable
> NISMO
> > > strut cartridges.
> > > I am aiming to do a Bluebird strut swap (since I have them lying
around)
> > as
> > > a phase 1 then do a skyline/240K swap as a phase 2, with adjustable
> > > platforms and works 'Europe' spec springs and shocks.
> > > Will the NISMO cartridges fit into these struts? Are they gas
> pressurised?
> > > Are they externally adjustable - without dismantling any suspension
> etc..
> > >
> > > Just a quick note on front suspension, when we talked on the 'phone
you
> > > mentioned (from memory) that you relocate the toe-control arms 40mm
(out
> > or
> > > in?), I have just had a look at the front end of my car and the stock
> > setup
> > > on the chassis side seems perfect, the transverse arm axis lines up
with
> > > the
> > > centre of the toe-control joint, i.e it is effectively a big A-arm
> member
> > > with no inherent bump-steer. When you take into account the location
of
> > the
> > > steering joints, relocating any of the chassis-side joints (singly or
> two
> > > from three) would be detrimental.
> > >
> > > I have re-read the CAMS manual and have come to the happy realisation
> that
> > > suspension components may be 'interchangeable', so the 10mm longer
> > > transverse arms look like a very good idea.
> > > What are the arm lengths of various Datsun models - are there any
swaps
> > > that
> > > would give extra length - with matching toe-control rods presumably.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Errol Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 7:44 AM
> > > Subject: Re: live axle mods
> > >
> > >
> > > > Nick,
> > > > I am not sure of the axle splines although from memory the commodore
> > uses
> > > > 32 splines where the H190 uses 30mm diam with 29 teeth. I was told
by
> a
> > > > local trans & diff co that they could do it. Heaths alternative of
> just
> > > > redoing the commodore housing and putting new mounts on sounds a
> really
> > > > good and cheap proposition.
> > > > In my race Stanza, I ran a locker with a rear stabiliser to get some
> > > extra
> > > > oversteer and it worked a treat. You miss out a bit on the easy turn
> in
> > > to
> > > > the corner and have to be a little more aggressive with the throttle
> but
> > > > can be very quick.
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Feral Errol
> > > >
> > > > ----------
> > > > From: abrahamk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: live axle mods
> > > > Date: Thursday, July 27, 2000 10:12
> > > >
> > > > Errol,
> > > > Are the splines the same on the Commodore LSD type driveshafts as on
> the
> > > > Datsun ones?
> > > > Are the diff centre mounts the same? i.e will the centre bolt in OK
> > > without
> > > > machining and will the shafts insert into the side gears?
> > > > If this could be arranged relatively easily then you could use the
> > > existing
> > > > Datsun crownwheel and pinion and the Commodore LSD centre.
> > > > Sounds far to easy though...but I can dream.
> > > > I've been driving my Stanza around this last week and have been
> thinking
> > > > that if an LSD is too hard that I could run a Locker and no rear
> > > anti-roll
> > > > bar. In terms of lack of understeer when driving hard I think a
Locker
> > > and
> > > > lots of rear end roll might be superior to a tight LSD and anti roll
> > bar.
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Nick
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Errol Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 8:18 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: live axle mods
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Nick,
> > > > > Funny you should say that. I am currently looking at the
possibility
> > of
> > > > > modifying a common whore slippery centre into a stanza Salisbury
> (Borg
> > > > > Warner) housing. It would be a cheap slippery setup (but only two
> > > pinion
> > > > > LSD though) but should handle the grunt of an L series all right.
I
> > > does
> > > > > involve remachining the housing for the pinion and the centre
> though.
> > > > Costs
> > > > > are the big unknown!
> > > > > The works rear I have ( see it at www.datrats.com.au) has the
alloy
> > > > carrier
> > > > > 4.875 4 pinion LSD with 80 ft/lb (15kg/cm) clutch pack. It uses 10
> mm
> > > > lock
> > > > > wire drilled crown wheel bolts instead of 8mm for normal LSD,s.
The
> > > axles
> > > > > are 29 spline with double taper roller wheel bearings to prevent
pad
> > > > knock
> > > > > off. The housing is a triple tube thickness instead of two tubes.
> The
> > > > axle
> > > > > assembly has ventilated discs and Sumitomo works four spot
calipers.
> > > The
> > > > > brake line is braided stainless wire and has an extremely light
> > > > > (titanium??) sheet diff guard). I want $3850 for the assembly.
> > > > > The escort style strengthening works well but I haven't seen it
used
> > > for
> > > > a
> > > > > while. I have been setting up some live axle rear ends for dattos
> with
> > > > 3/4
> > > > > deg neg camber and 3mm toe in, for rallying (copying the works
specs
> > > diff
> > > > > housing).
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Feral Errol
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------
> > > > > From: abrahamk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: Re: live axle mods
> > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 7:46
> > > > >
> > > > > Given that the Sailsbury axle was made in Australia, are there any
> > > known
> > > > > diff centre swaps with domestic vehicles?
> > > > > An LSD disk brake Commodore rear end can be had for about $300.00,
> for
> > > > > example.
> > > > > If is is not a bolt in swap, what would be involved?
> > > > > What kind of general and rear end specific stock do you have at
the
> > > > moment
> > > > > Errol?
> > > > > We talked before about the works rear end that you have, what are
> it's
> > > > > specifications and cost?
> > > > > Has anyone tried copying the Escort style axle strengthening alloy
> > > plate
> > > > > that bolts up inbetween the rear cover plate and axle and extends
> > > along
> > > > > the
> > > > > axle tubes, where it is fastened by U-bolts?
> > > > > Also, has anyone tried fitting TRX rear discs to a Sailsbury
> housing,
> > > is
> > > > it
> > > > > straightforward?
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > NICK
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Errol Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 7:54 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: live axle mods
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Nick,
> > > > > > Banjo housing differentials have the centre removed from the
front
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > housing by removing axles and undoing either 8 or 10 nuts.
> > > > > > Both the H165 and H190 housings use this system.
> > > > > > 1. The first Letter refers to the style of housing. "H" refers
to
> > the
> > > > > banjo
> > > > > > style housing, R refers to the Fixed housing used in 510, 610,
Z's
> > > etc.
> > > > > > 2. The number after the Letter prefix refers to the crown wheel
> > > > diameter
> > > > > >
> > > > > > An A or B suffix refers to either an Amboid or Hypoid pinion
gear
> > > > > > configuration.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The housing with the rear cover plate and rear centre removal is
> > > called
> > > > a
> > > > > > Salisbury housing. The examples used in OZ datto's were made by
> Borg
> > > > > > Warner.
> > > > > > The baffles stop a sudden sloshing out into the axle tubes by
only
> > > > > > providing a small gap between the axle and the baffle and also a
> > > small
> > > > > > return drain hole back from the tube into the centre. The works
> > > > housings
> > > > > I
> > > > > > have use only approx 2 mm between the axle and baffle. The
> baffles
> > > are
> > > > > > just a rectangular sheet of steel with a central hole that is
> folded
> > > > into
> > > > > > the shape of the inner surface of the diff housing and spot
welded
> > > into
> > > > > > position.
> > > > > > 720 rear diffs are open normally although LSD's were an option.
> > > > > > LSD H190 centres vary from between $600 $2000 dollare depending
on
> > > the
> > > > > > type. Normal 2 pinion LSD's can be had for as little as $600 new
> if
> > > you
> > > > > are
> > > > > > lucky up to $1000 normally. The works differentials used 4
pinion
> > > gears
> > > > > and
> > > > > > stronger housings but are usually $1500 to $2000. Nismo only
deal
> > > with
> > > > > > distributors in each country and will not deal direct with
> > > individuals.
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > Feral Errol.
> > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > From: abrahamk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Subject: live axle mods
> > > > > > Date: Monday, July 24, 2000 6:23
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