All this talk about high speed stability and handling on the 1600/180B has been an interesting read and here is my 2c worth.
 
A common problem with setting up 1600/180B these days is we tend to put shock/springs in the rear that are way too stiff or exactly the same stiffness as the front and this makes them tail happy as the irs is effectually tied down to such a the degree it actually starts to work more like a solid axle - not what mr Nissan intended me thinks.
 
Another major problem for getting a 1600/180B to handle for competition is we lower the front way too much, the exception that I know of is Pete Liebig's whose 1600 is running 320mm suspension on the front with 290mm on the rear which equates to the car having a slight front bias and in my experience/opinion this is just about perfect for tarmac racing.
 
On the dirt scene Gerry Ball was one of the first private teams with Gregg Carr driving to set their 1600's up for rallying with little more that heavy duty rear stiffness but the front suspension was set up more like a billiard table and with their virtual instant success the other teams caught on to the idea very quickly as the power outputs from the engines were very similar so Greg was killing them in the handling department. In 1970 if you bought the Gabriele wet kits from Nismo then this is the sort of rates you got from the factory.
 
terry
 
 
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Richard Clough
Sent: Monday, 28 August 2000 9:39 PM
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Subject: Re: 1600 High speed stability

I agree they are oversteerers if that's what you call "tail happy"  IMHO this is a positive for high speed dirt driving - nothing worse than ploughing off a corner due to chronic understeer.
I did leave some room for "fiddles" like adjusting the rear toe in.  As I said, some thing is wrong if it isn't stable at high speed - one thing wrong would be the rear toe in if it is lowered, but who lowers a serious rally car?  

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