Errol,
the only problem with the longer springs that they were the same spring rate
and required the bottom spring seat be moved further down to a non captive
position to get the same ride height.So we just used the shorter springs for
now and maybe we can find some of those super soft springs that just take up
the slack.the only ones we can find are some jap ones and they want $300.I've
been told that there are now some long progressive rate springs around at
around $140 so i'll try some of them out.
Andrew Smith
Errol Smith wrote:
> Andrew,
> You can get different length springs in 65mm ID
> Cheers
> Feral Errol
> WWW.Datrats.com.au
>
> ----------
> From: andrew smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Brakes (Bluebird struts/brakes)
> Date: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 14:10
>
> I've used some of the pedders ones and was unable to keep the springs
> captive
> to achhieve the right ride height. this was with 200b struts on a 1200
> ute.So
> we had to wire the springs to the top.A defect notice waiting to happen.
> Andrew Smith
>
> Errol Smith wrote:
>
> > Ritchie,
> > Same deal we have here.
> > Cheers
> > Feral Errol
> > WWW.Datrats.com.au
> >
> > ----------
> > From: Ritchie Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Brakes (Bluebird struts/brakes)
> > Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 3:32
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> > The threaded spring seats are available here in NZ from reasonable
> > suspension
> > workshops & can be bought as a set with the sleeve & nuts & upper seat.
> You
> > just have to remove the existing spring seat with an angle grinder & then
> > weld
> > on the threaded sleeve. There are a two different spring diameters
> > available(65mm & 75mm I think). The springs for these are are all 200mm
> > long &
> > are available in a variety of different lb ratings to suit from road to
> > full
> > race specification.
> >
> > --
> > Ritchie Williams
> >
> > Ken Abraham wrote:
> >
> > > What is the story with threaded spring seats?
> > > Do you have to get them machined up yourself, or are they available
> > > somewhere? (Errol is planning to sell them)
> > > What do you do about the top spring seat/strut top interface?
> > > I don't think that the Bluebird strut is any different to normal datto
> > > struts in terms of stub axle angle.
> > > I am doing the Bluebird strut conversion at the moment, the caliper is
> > the
> > > same internally as the 200b, so I don't see that it is going to be much
> > of
> > > an improvement, but the struts give me the option to upgrgade to
> verada
> > > discs and 300ZX calipers (or to fit gazelle vented discs using standard
> > > caliper) later on if the performance is not up to scratch.
> > > Regards,
> > > Nick
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Zac Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Monday, 13 November 2000 11:11 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Brakes
> > >
> > > > This sounds similar to an R31 strut conversion?
> > > >
> > > > zac
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Ritchie Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 5:10 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Brakes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Terry,
> > > > >
> > > > > This conversion was pretty straight forward. The only areas I had
> to
> > > > modify was
> > > > > to make a small sleeve to space between the ball joint location
> > diamter
> > > > into
> > > > > the bottom of the strut. This was required due to the fact the
> > Bluebird
> > > > strut
> > > > > had a larger location diameter than the std P510. You could maybe
> get
> > > away
> > > > > without doing this on a road car. The only other thing I did was
> put
> > > > threaded
> > > > > sleeves on the struts for the adjustable spring seats. The 910
> strut
> > is
> > > a
> > > > bit
> > > > > shorter that the 200b ones I had in there before. These brakes fit
> > under
> > > > some
> > > > > of my 13" wheels & all my 14" ones. There is no need to swap the
> > struts
> > > > side to
> > > > > side as I've heard mentioned on the list for some of the other
> > > > conversions.
> > > > >
> > > > > These brakes are pretty good with Pagid pads in & don't fade at
> all.
> > I
> > > had
> > > > > thought they were pretty good with some Lucas metal pads in but the
> > > Pagid
> > > > pads
> > > > > have transformed the braking on tarmac stages. Pad changes are
> pretty
> > > easy
> > > > as
> > > > > you only remove one M8 bolt & loosen the other to swing the body of
> > the
> > > > caliper
> > > > > & slip in the new pads.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you need to know anything more just ask.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Ritchie Williams
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Terry wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Richie,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is the rally car a 510? (1600) I presume it is and if so could
> you
> > > give
> > > > us a
> > > > > > run down on how easy it is to fit the 910 or S12 Gazelle
> ventilated
> > > > front
> > > > > > struts and discs (these are the same in Japan & I presume also in
> > NZ).
> > > I
> > > > > > have occasionally come across these and was curious if they were
> an
> > > > option
> > > > > > for the 510 but as no one has done it around here that I know of
> > > except
> > > > in
> > > > > > the early S1 910 which came with solid rotors in Aus.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tia,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Terry
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ritchie
> > > > > > Williams
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, 10 November 2000 12:41 PM
> > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Brakes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Errol,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you think it would be possible to use these Z32 calipers on a
> > > smaller
> > > > > > disk.
> > > > > > I have been thinking of putting them on my rally car but wanted
> to
> > use
> > > > 14".
> > > > > > I've got 910 Bluebird struts which have vented disks at present &
> > had
> > > > been
> > > > > > thinking of putting these on the rear to replace my 240Z drums &
> > > getting
> > > > the
> > > > > > 4
> > > > > > pots for the front.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for any suggestions
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Ritchie Williams
> > > > > > Manager - Design Technology
> > > > > > Vertex Pacific Limited
> > > > > > 696 Te Rapa Rd
> > > > > > Private Bag HN3044
> > > > > > Hamilton
> > > > > > New Zealand
> > > > > > ph 64 7 8493 999
> > > > > > fax 64 7 8498 764
> > > > > > e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Errol Smith wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Zac,
> > > > > > > If you got the pad so the outer radius is at the outer
> extremity
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > disc that would be acceptable I would think. Try a 300mm
> Mercedes
> > > > rotor
> > > > > > > (cant remember which model), as they use a good cast iron alloy
> > > > similar to
> > > > > > > brembo.
> > > > > > > An alternative is to mount the calipers on the opposite side to
> > the
> > > > > > > original lugs on reversed struts. Make a mounting bracket that
> > bolts
> > > > onto
> > > > > > > the holes where the dust plate used to mount. You will have to
> > drill
> > > > and
> > > > > > > tap some extra holes as well to make it strong enough and use
> > > > countersunk
> > > > > > > head high tensile bolts. This is the same method that was used
> to
> > > > mount
> > > > > > > Commodore calipers on Datto struts back in the dark ages
> > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > > Feral Errol
> > > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > > From: Zac Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > To: Ozdat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Brakes
> > > > > > > Date: Friday, November 10, 2000 1:51
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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