My rally days extended till I had 2 kids in their early school years at least. Now both kids are in their 20's. I have just built a new 4 bay shed for future car projects, but at present I seem to spend my spare time fixing the kids cars so they keep going, or go faster/stop faster, you probably know this story.
My son is already lining up 2 new project cars (1600's), 1 for historic rallying and the other for an SR20 transplant, and asking me to help with them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Hallett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 23:03 PM Subject: RE: roll cage in 1600, mounting locations > Don't forget that will add a fair bit of weight, and I am not sure > whether the shearing strength will be as great as the floor plate > method. It's worth testing out if anyone has a CAD system that will > calculate loadings. > > That cage I was talking about was very good, and took months of work, > but don't forget roll cages in rally cars save your life. Especially in > the group G days when we were surrounded by fiberglass panels and lexcen > windows. I would love to build another one out of chrome moly some day. > I was also single then and lived and breathed rally cars. Every night I > was in the shed doing something, now I consider it an achievement to > walk past the shed. > > I never skimp on safety items like roll cages or helmets, because every > day that I wake up is a good day. I once saw a Stanza in a fairly slow > roll once where the front legs of the cage punched through the floor as > the floor pan was rusty and the owner didn't bother repairing it > properly, just plated over it. He is now in a wheelchair as a result. > A proper job would have stopped him getting as much as a headache. > > One thing we used to do with the sills, remove the outer skin, cut a > slot just below the floorpan, parallel with it at the jacking points, > and weld a plate to the floorpan at the jacking points with a section of > pipe protruding through the sill flush with the outside of the sill, and > another plate welded vertical against the inner of the sill to support > the pipe. When the outer sill was replaced it appeared like a hole at > each jacking point through the actual sill. We then made up adjustable > stands and when the car came in for service you simply jacked up each > end, set the stands in the hole at what height we wanted, and we had > safe and fast holding of the vehicle so we could crawl all over it, at > whatever height we wanted. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Richard > Clough > Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 9:29 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: roll cage in 1600, mounting locations > > > Brad > That's the general idea. (That sounds like a hell of a safety cage)! > Instead of your bars running front to rear above the floor, my plan was > to go outward, to the inside the sill area, fit a full sill length, > vertically mounted strengthening plate, with welded nuts fitted, and > bolt the cabin hoops through to it. > > These days its almost mandatory to replace the outer sills, so I thought > that would provide an opportunity to fabricate roll bar supports inside > the sill, similar to the seat belt mounts located there. I felt it was > probably a good idea to make it a full length vertical mount to get the > body strengthening as well as the cage mounting points. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brad Hallett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 21:00 PM > Subject: RE: roll cage in 1600, mounting locations > > > > I have built a spaceframe style roll cage years ago which consisted of > > > the front legs, main hoop and rear crucifix still welded to plates in > > the floor, but with horizontal tubing joing them all just above the > > floor the full legth of he car. I also had cross bars sperating the > > two sides, following the floor pan and bent over the transmission > > tunnel (also held seat mounts). Front end had a spreader bar behind > > the dash and front legs linked to shock towers. End result was a cage > > > that would hold together even if entire floor pan was ripped out. > > This allowed me to lighten the body dramatically (group G days) and > > the cage proved itself many times. > > > > Is this similar to what you want to do, only mounting it to the sills? > > > Don't forget that you need to tie all the suspension points together > > for precision handling > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Richard > > Clough > > Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 8:34 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: roll cage in 1600, mounting locations > > > > > > Can anyone think of a reason why roll cage mounting brackets could > > not be installed vertically along the inside of the door sills rather > > than on the floor? > > > > My idea is to make a long mounting plate and weld it to the inside of > > the sill, or inside the sill cavity when the outer sills are replaced. > > > This would allow for the forward bars in the footwell and the centre > > hoop to be mounted off the bottom of the wall rather than to the > > floor. > > > > My feeling is that these vertical roll cage mounts would have some > > advantages. They would be stronger than floor mounts in a roll over, > > as the forces would be shear forces rather than flat fronted forces on > > > a thin metal floor pan. The full length side bars would stiffen the > > body. There are no bolts protruding under the floor getting damaged, > > and no problems fitting carpets or concealing holes in the floor if > > the cage is removed . > > > > Comments on this idea? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "James Morrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 12:30 PM > > Subject: Re: roll cage in 1600, pedal locations > > > > > > > my mates 1600 rally car has a full cage and stock pedal and yeh its > > > pretty > > damn close to the cage, could get annoying. You may wanna think about > > a bluebird (i think) pedal and cable accellator. > > > > > > James > > > > > > --- JUSTIN FRIEDRICHS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Guys, > > > >Do you need to modify the position of the acc pedal > > > >and brake pedal when a roll cage is fitted to a 1600. > > > >Cos I think the cage legs need to be very close to the > > > >acc pedal. > > > > > > > >Cheers > > > >Justin > > > > > > > >http://www.sold.com.au - SOLD.com.au > > > >- Find yourself a bargain! > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your free Ozdat Email Account > > > ---> http://www.ozdat.com > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag > > > > > > > > > > --membersozdat------------------------------------------------------- > > OZDAT Mailing List Please Note:- > > Send (un)subscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send > > submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No unauthorised > > redistribution of this email > > http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/index.htm > > http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/listindex.html > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > --membersozdat------------------------------------------------------- > OZDAT Mailing List Please Note:- > Send (un)subscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send > submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No unauthorised > redistribution of this email http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/index.htm > http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/listindex.html > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --membersozdat------------------------------------------------------- OZDAT Mailing List Please Note:- Send (un)subscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No unauthorised redistribution of this email http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/index.htm http://www.ozdat.com/ozdatonline/listindex.html http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------
