OK - again I have to clarify my position :D

You make some great points Julian. I agree that having a framework and
a shared community following it, shaping it and making it better for
everyone is the best.

I've been doing Rails since it came out and have dabbled in Merb
(waiting for a suitable project to come along). I'd say I was an
advanced user (perhaps not expert since I tend to avoid looking at the
source - hoping that Merb will change that POV).

I was mostly making the comparison between Sinatra and VeryFlat and
then extrapolating this line of thought: "What's the simplest possible
framework that is still useful". This thought ended up at PHP. I'm not
saying I think that's a great way to code or anything, only that it
does have a very low barrier to entry.

Given the flexibility of Merb I'm interested to see where this can
go.

Hope that makes sense !!

weepy




On 16 Nov, 21:59, Julian Leviston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hear Hear!
>
> This brings me to the point of responsibility.
>
> If you slap up some code that, say, parses some CGI-params and slaps  
> them in the database, shouldn't you at SOME point be made aware that  
> there is actually a large chance you're opening up the server you're  
> putting this crappy code on to Injection or CSS attacks? I mean...  
> frameworks represent code re-use but they also represent best  
> practices which means that they help you to educate yourself more  
> about problems that can occur and best practice solutions to these  
> problems.
>
> Thus, frameworks FTW!
>
> :-)
>
> On 17/11/2008, at 2:40 AM, Michael Klishin wrote:
>
>
>
> > 2008/11/16 weepy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> Consider the approach:
>
> >> 1) Take a standard HTML page
> >> 2) Modify it to include some simple PHP (e.g. <%= $myvar %>)
> >> 3) Rename the file to .php
> >> 4) Upload page.
>
> > You can do it with a flat merb app, Apache and sftp. But rapid
> > prototyping not always equals to "write some crap to throw away"
> > because some prototypes of this sort later put into production and
> > someone has to maintain them. That's just anti humane in my mind.
>
> > So prototype carefully.
> > --
> > MK
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