Too bad they don't survive up north, or we could use them to protect against the evil Canadians and their National Health Plan as well. Perhaps some sort of Jatropha-Kudzu-Anthrax hybrid?
-Dave Walton On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now there is an idea! Jatropha trees as a living fence on the > mexican border. Does it kill instantly, or slowly? Does it have to > be ingested, or does it kill on contact? Might be a lot cheaper than > building fence. > > At 03:02 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote: >>I think the algae can grow in brackish and sewer water and whatever else >>you put it in. >> >>I kinda like that poisonous tree in NYC idea though. >> >>--R >> >>dave walton wrote: >> > The trick is to use what works for you. Does not make much sense to >> > install 100's of vertical water tanks in arid regions where fresh >> > water comes from desalination plants, or to plant thousands of >> > poisonous trees in the suburbs of New York. >> > I do suggest you start doing something. >> > >> > -Dave Walton >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Loren Faeth >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> >> me too. I am not sure anyone knows much about this plant. First it >> >> was native to pakistan and india, now it is indigenous to South >> >> America. I do know that poisonous plants are in general, not good >> >> neighbors. I like algae, in ponds or vertical. It just seems much >> >> more realistic. >> >> >> >> >> >> At 12:28 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote: >> >> >> >>> Count me as a sekptic. There will still be an energy cost in >> fertilizing, >> >>> harvesting, processing, and getting it to market. >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> Ponds are old, vertical is the new hotness. I have yet to see anyone do >> >>>> it commercially yet on any kind of scale and the vertical process seems >> >>>> to be pretty closely guarded. >> >>>> >> >>>> Jatropha on the other hand is indigenous to S American and could easily >> >>>> make poor countries richer using non arable soil (which they tend to >> >>>> have plenty of). Processing and producing the oil is already happening. >> >>>> >> >>>> -Rolf >> >>>> >> >>>> Loren Faeth wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Yes, and besides, there is NO reason to introduce this poisonous >> >>>>> plant to the US for fuel. We can grow all the fuel we need with >> >>>>> algae farms. Do a search for algae and Diesel fuel. you fill find >> >>>>> very little about the black stuff that grows in your tank, and a LOT >> >>>>> about growing algae to produce home grown Diesel. One company I am >> >>>>> working with is going all out to be early in the market for producing >> >>>>> bioD from Algae. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> No financial interest etc. The usual disclaimers. But I am not in >> >>>>> favor of introducing non-native plant species. They can wreak havoc >> >>>>> with the ecosystem, much more than all the fossil fuel burned in the >> >>>>> whole world. Grow native plants. Make your Dissel fool out of >> >>>>> peanuts or grow your own soybeans or something. (yeah, I know soy is >> >>>>> not native, but it is here and it does not spread like uncontrolled >> >>>>> weeds (kudzu)) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Make your backyard into a pond and grow your own algae. Build your >> >>>>> own still to process it. But leave the non-native poisonous plants >> >>>>> in india. please! At least until the ag colleges declare it safe >> >>>>> to grow. Even then use a shaker of salt, because it was the ag >> >>>>> colleges that introduced multiflora rose! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> At 07:54 PM 8/4/2008, you wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> What he said. He is correct. >> >>>>>> BillR >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: >> >>>>>> >> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>>> >> >>>>>> On Behalf Of Loren Faeth >> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:52 AM >> >>>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jatropha Oil, the next hottest thing in biodiesel @ >> >>>>>> 1.75gal? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> If it poisonous, be "vewy vewy caweful" to quote Elder Fudd, about >> >>>>>> introducing it to the US!!! Remember Kudzu? How bout the >> >>>>>> government promoted multiflora rose? Neither of those are >> >>>>>> poisonous, but are extreme nuisance. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> If it is poisonous to humans, it is likely poisonous to bovine, >> >>>>>> equine and other animal types. If you think the price of a steak is >> >>>>>> high now, just wait until farmers and ranchers have to manually >> >>>>>> patrol every square foot of ground to destroy Jatropha plants. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I am not saying that we know the plant is poisonous to cattle, hogs, >> >>>>>> chicken or horses, buffalo, elk, moose, bambi, cats or dogs, but it >> >>>>>> is best to leave that research to the Ag universities where escapes >> >>>>>> of the plant can be prevented. If every Joe Diesel plants the stuff >> >>>>>> in his backyard and it proves a menace to animals, there will be no >> >>>>>> putting the genie back in the bottle. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> $0.02 FWIW >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> At 08:48 AM 8/4/2008, you wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I've been playing around with a few plants myself. You have to be >> >>>>>>> careful with it - it's poisonous. Don't let the pets or kids near the >> >>>>>>> plants or oil. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -Dave Walton >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On 8/4/08, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Where can I get this stuff. More importantly who is >> bringing it in the >> >>>>>>>> country so I can invest in their stock? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jatropha_oil >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> If Mercedes is in on it so am I. I'll even go SVO at that price. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>> $1.75 >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> gallon, thats like pre W prices! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> -Rolf >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________ >> >>>>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >>>>>>>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> >>>>>>>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >>>>>>>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________ >> >>>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >>>>>>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> >>>>>>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >>>>>>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> Loren Faeth >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________ >> >>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >>>>>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> >>>>>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >>>>>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________ >> >>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >>>>>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> >>>>>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >>>>>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> Loren Faeth >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________ >> >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >>>>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> >>>>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>>>> >> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >>>>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________ >> >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >>>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> >>>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>>> >> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >>>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> _______________________________________ >> >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>> >> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >>> >> >> Loren Faeth >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> > >>_______________________________________ >>http://www.okiebenz.com >>For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > Loren Faeth > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
