A friend of mine bought a house many years ago in Aiken, SC that had in the deed that it would "never be sold to a Jew or a Negro." I don't think it was in an HOA, probably pre-dated that, but it was a restriction written into the deed, and probably for all the neighboring houses too. He sold it to a white family, neglected to check if they were Jews.

--R

On 11/24/15 6:45 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
Agreed, Don, you should be able to buy acreage, develop it, and build an HOA on 
it. Isn't that true under Americas capitalist system of government?
Then, assuming you are still abiding by capitalist rules, shouldn't you be 
allowed to sell the houses you build on it to anyone you want and require them 
to abide by the rules you both agreed to?
This sort of "pure capitalism" existed when I came to the segregated "Deep South" as a 16 
year old. Since official desegregation, all sorts of "re-segregation" has taken place, but so has a 
lot of integration.

Should housing in America be a "one size fits all" system where anyone can live 
anywhere they want, or should people be allowed to segregate themselves on whatever basis 
they choose?

The current solution, at least in Florida, is basically economic. If you can 
"afford" to buy a house in an HOA you can do so if you agree to abide by the 
rules of the HOA.
This "affordability" principle gets complicated, however. Should the HOA be 
allowed to reject a potential buyer because of a poor credit rating or low income even 
though the government has agreed to provide a low interest rate mortgage?

These sorts of "social experiments" played out rather sadly in places like 
Detroit and elsewhere after the 2007 crash, and the result was many empty houses and much 
misery on the part of their previous owners.

The U.S. currently has a mixed capitalist-socialist system with constant conflict between 
the proponents of each system. I don't think the people on this list would be happy in a 
purely socialist system where the governments make all the rules; or a purely capitalist 
system which is like a no-limit poker game where a few wealthy individuals can repeatedly 
"buy the pot".

In America, you can find about any kind of neighborhood or HOA you like and live there 
"if you can afford it" and if you abide by its rules. This is especially true 
in Florida which has people from all over the nation and from numerous countries.

Personally I and my "clan" have always been conformists. Wherever we have lived we 
conformed to the local rules and customs. It makes for an untroubled existence with much 
"peace of mind".

Gerry
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OK Don wrote:
  I should be allowed to buy any property that I can
afford, and do whatever I want with it once I own it.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Okie Donn sez:  I think HOAs are un-constitutional, and need to be
outlawed. Luckily, our

airpark is free range.

If the HOA was forced on you, you'd be right.  However the buyer has to
sign off acceptance of the terms, so it is considered self-inflicted.

Nobody makes you buy a house with a HOA.   (in theory)  However, when my
daughter bought her house, there was no HOA agreement she had to sign.
Fortunately her HOA is pretty benign.  This year they worked to get the
city and an adjoining landowner to remove a homeless camp behind the
backyards of 12 or 15 houses


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