Karl, The fault was mine. Not the first time I "talked past" readers by assuming we were thinking about the same thing.
The real heros of this period are front-line medical folks who risk themselves and use best judgement to help patients. I'm just an old kibitzer who is trying to understand what is happening to the nation, and why. -----Original Message----- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 4:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Karl Wittnebel <atypical...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers Sorry I have no idea how those stats are compiled or tracked. On Tue, May 26, 2020, 2:21 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Karl, > No argument with any of your points. > Here's my point: If nursing home patients get transported to a > hospital before they expire does it reduce the number of nursing home deaths? > If sick prison inmates are transported to a hospital, where they die > in a day or two. Do those count as prison deaths or hospital deaths? > Maybe I'm too cynical but I can think of political motivations for > reducing nursing home and prison numbers and for increasing the > general population numbers. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 12:40 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: Karl Wittnebel <atypical...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Wuhan Red Death: Can't trust the numbers > > What should it be recorded as? The person died in the hospital. > > There will always be data irregularities but the idea the hospitals > are somehow systematically having doctors enter fraudulent codes on > death certificates is pure BS. 1) it's a felony, with no benefit to a > doctor to do that, 2) we test everyone and we know whether they have > covid 19 or not, so there is no uncertainty 3) the people who die of > covid pneumonia in hospital have imaging ample imaging and other > studies to back up their diagnoses. > > The idea that hospitals can somehow control what I write in a death > certificate is laughable. I have zero incentive to lie about anything. > The hospital doesnt get paid any more or any less whether someone has > pneumonia from covid or another virus. All this stuff is politically > motivated trolls casting aspersions on electronic media. It would not > surprise me if these ideas originate outside the US in many cases. > > Covid deaths at the beginning were vastly undercounted - not over counted. > A glance at the excess monthly mortality by year tells the story. > People were dying but we had no way to diagnose them because even > hospitals could not do tests. > > On Sat, May 23, 2020, 4:35 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Yet another distortion of the numbers: If a nursing home patient in > > NY gets COVID but is moved to a hospital before he/she dies it is > > not recorded as a nursing home death. > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
