Karl, Your comments stimulate many questions in my mind. As individuals. What should we be doing that we are not doing (behavior, supplements, etc)? Specifically what National leadership do you mean (CDC, POTUS, legislators)? Does National leadership have jurisdiction or do state/local authorities have jurisdiction? ...What has National leadership failed to do? Is contact tracing really viable (considering the virus was widespread before we knew it was here)? Why were/are we (the US) so slow with tests, treatments, etc. How does this all end? Do we all get it eventually? Does it die out? What are we proles to make of the flip-flop guidance from the experts (masks, isolate indoors, etc.)? Who can we believe? So much seems politically driven, even medical "experts". I'm an 70+ year old asthmatic and SWMBO is in her 80s with heart issues so we are hermits, mostly. Thanks for any insights, Scott (a skeptic)
> -----Original Message----- > From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes > > It isnt really a balance. The shut down was just to buy time, and it worked, > but > at tremendous cost. The basics of mask wearing, testing and contact tracing to > isolate and quarantine positives and their contacts involve relatively minimal > cost, and no threat to civil liberties. And this works. Iceland never shut > down at > all. They just tested lots of people from the first reported case onward, and > had a team of 50 people testing and tracing the contacts and telling them to > stay home for two weeks. They have close to zero daily new cases. That is all > we need to do nationally, but everybody is too busy whining to get on board > and there is no real leadership at the national level. > > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 9:08 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > The balance that is the main challenge is how to maintain an economy, > > allow personal rights, and mitigate disease spread. Everyone has the > > answer depending on various orientations but none of them seem to > > strike the balance effectively. I have just kinda decided to go about > > life, take some precautions, but recognizing sooner or later getting > > infected is a high probability no matter what. A vaccine is a long > > time away, if it would even be effective > > > > --FT > > > > On 6/13/20 11:58 AM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > > Our numbers are still rising in this part of the country. With > > > little to > > no > > > testing we will probably never know the full extent of the disease. > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 9:47 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Still pretty hard to really prove that data isn't it? 100,000+ > > >> deaths > > in > > >> the US in 4 months is 3x+ what the flu would get over twice that period. > > >> It'll take a long time before we antibody test enough people to > > >> really prove those numbers. > > >> Based on how the US numbers continue to inch down I'm thinking that > > having > > >> a bad "early" COVID season might be a good thing for our later results. > > >> Brazil's numbers are terrible and rising and thats after having > > >> very low numbers in the initial 4 months. > > >> -Curt > > >> > > >> On Friday, June 12, 2020, 4:20:37 PM EDT, Max Dillon via > > >> Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/#latest > > >> > > >> 1. According to the latest immunological and serological studies, > > >> the overall lethality of Covid-19 (IFR) is about 0.1%[ > > >> https://swprs.org/studies-on-covid-19-lethality/] and thus in the > > >> range of a strong seasonal influenza[ > > >> https://www.ebm-netzwerk.de/en/publications/covid-19] (flu). > > >> > > >> 2. Even in global “hotspots”, the risk of death for the general > > population > > >> of school and working age is typically in the range of a daily car > > >> ride > > to > > >> > work[https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.05.20054361v1]. > > The > > >> risk was initially overestimated because many people with only mild > > >> or > > no > > >> symptoms were not taken into account. > > >> > > >> Max Dillon > > >> Charleston SC > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> > > -- > > --FT > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > _______________________________________ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _______________________________________ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
